Producing a CNBC show = just like making sausages

Robert Scobble:

Last week I was on CNBC twice. Once on “Fast Money” and once on Donny Deutsch’s “The Big Idea.”

The Fast Money segment has been torn apart on the Internet but Roger Ehrenberg of the Information Arbitrage blog had the most intelligent analysis of it.

Here’s the key piece of the Donny Deutsch show, where we had a bunch of bloggers on the Microsoft Blogger Bus asking questions of Bug Labs’ CEO Peter Semmelhack. Bug Labs went onto win CNET’s “Best of CES” award for the emerging tech category.

Some things that are worth underlying about the difference between my video show and CNBC.

1. Expense. CNBC had dozens of people involved in the show, a huge booth, really expensive cameras, satellite time, etc. My show? Get a Nokia phone and go for it.
2. Makeup. Yeah, I wore it. There’s a video out there on the Internet somewhere. I’m not sure why Valleywag hasn’t found it yet.
3. You don’t get to say whatever you want. Donny’s show was tape delayed. If you try doing something wacky, they’ll just cut you out. But even if they keep you on, they have a director who is telling you what they want. She preps you for each segment, giving you “talking points.” If you don’t agree with those talking points you have to negotiate to have them changed. But if they don’t like your talking points they just won’t go with you. Second, she has a big sign and if she thinks you should make a point she makes it clear.
4. These shows are NOT about getting deep, or really getting a good understanding of CES. They were ALL about being entertaining! Hey, who knew? (I tried to pull a bunch of gadgets out and they said “we don’t care about the gadgets.”)
5. They filmed Bug Labs’ CEO for 10 hours for a two-minute segment. Now do you understand why so many CEOs let me come over and film them? I never take more than an hour with an executive, so it’s always easy to get onto someone’s schedule.
6. My show has very little editing, so it’s pretty rare that the context gets lost on an answer. On TV, though, things get cut up, sliced and diced, all for entertainment effect, not necessarily to tell the best story.

Watching CNBC = a waste of time.

Presenting on CNBC = a waste of time.

Viva office-made videos and YouTube.

Viva video blogging.

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Can the prediction markets survive without the over-selling from John Delaney and his little fanboys?

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Emile Servan-Schreiber:

[…] The classic first line of defense in these cases is to remind people that market “predictions” are really just probabilities, so any one outcome cannot invalidate the approach. The argument is sound and backed up by loads of data. But it would of course be much more convincing if we, as an industry, would remember to show at least as much humility when our market “predictions” appear correct instead. If you’re going to spread the idea that your market called all 50 states in the last U.S. presidential election because each correct outcome was predicted with over 50% chance, then you can’t hide behind probabilities when an 80% prediction comes to naught, as in Obama’s NH collapse. […]

Emile Servan-Schreiber makes a good point &#8212-see also Panos Ipeirotis, in the same vein.

But the over-selling is the reason [*] why InTrade (and not NewsFutures) has managed to infiltrate so many US media. If you suppress the magical touch, then InTrade is just a forecasting tool of convenience &#8212-for those too busy to look at the polls.

Give me one reason why the political analysts should follow InTrade instead of the polls, then?

What is the true nature of the prediction markets? How to use the prediction markets? Who should use the prediction markets? For what benefits? Once you have the answer to these 4 questions, you can tackle the next two problematics: How to market the prediction markets without over-selling them. How to report news thru the prism of the prediction markets while respecting their true probabilistic nature.

Welcome to the version #2 of the prediction market industry. Quite a horse of another color, now.

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[*] UPDATE: The over-selling aspect is the topping over the real-money and the liquidity dimensions. The over-selling aspect wraps all that.

Ron Paul says Rosa Park and Martin Luther King are his heroes.

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Our good friend Mike Linksvayer is so wrong, politically, once again.

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Price for 2008 Republican Presidential Nominee at intrade.com

Price for 2008 Presidential Election Winner (Individual) at intrade.com

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Defining Probability in Prediction Markets

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The New Hampshire Democratic primary was one of the few(?) events in which prediction markets did not give an &#8220-accurate&#8221- forecast for the winner. In a typical &#8220-accurate&#8221- prediction, the candidate that has the contract with the highest price ends up winning the election.

This result, combined with an increasing interest/hype about the predictive accuracy of prediction markets, generated a huge backslash. Many opponents of prediction markets pointed out the &#8220-failure&#8221- and started questioning the overall concept and the ability of prediction markets to aggregate information.

Interestingly enough, such failed predictions are absolutely necessary if we want to take the concept of prediction markets seriously. If the frontrunner in a prediction market was always the winner, then the markets would have been a seriously flawed mechanism. In such a case, an obvious trading strategy would be to buy the frontrunner&#8217-s contract and then simply wait for the market to expire to get a guaranteed, huge profit. If for example Obama was trading at 66 cents and Clinton at 33 cents (indicating that Obama is twice as likely to be the winner), and the markets were &#8220-always accurate&#8221- then it would make sense to buy Obama&#8217-s contract the day before the election and get $1 back the next day. If this was happening every time, then this would not be an efficient market. This would be a flawed, inefficient market.

In fact, I would like to argue that the late streak of successes of the markets to always pick the winner of the elections lately has been an anomaly, indicating the favorite bias that exists in these markets. The markets were more accurate than they should, according to the trading prices. If the market never fails then the prices do not reflect reality, and the favorite is actually underpriced.

The other point that has been raised in many discussions (mainly from a mainstream audience) is how we can even define probability for an one-time event like the Democratic nomination for the 2008 presidential election. What it means that Clinton has 60% probability of being the nominee and Obama has 40% probability? The common answer is that &#8220-if we repeat the event for many times, 60% of the cases Clinton will be the nominee and 40% of the cases, it will be Obama&#8221-. Even though this is an acceptable answer for someone used to work with probabilities, it makes very little sense for the &#8220-average Joe&#8221- who wants to understand how these markets work. The notion of repeating the nomination process multiple times is an absurd concept.

The discussion brings in mind the ferocious battles between Frequentists and Bayesians for the definition of probability. Bayesians could not accept that we can use a Frequentist approach for defining probabilities for events. &#8220-How can we define the probability of success for an one-time event?&#8221- The Frequentist would approach the prediction market problem by defining a space of events and would say:

After examining prediction markets for many state-level primaries, we observed that 60% of the cases the frontrunners who had a contract priced at 0.60 one day before the election, were actually the winners of the election. In 30% of the cases, the candidates who had a contract priced at 0.30 one day before the election, were actually the winners of the election, and so on.

A Bayesian would criticize such an approach, especially when the sample size of measurement is small, and would point to the need to have an initial belief function, that should be updated as information signals come from the market. Interestingly enough, the two approaches tend to be equivalent in the presence of infinite samples, which is however rarely the case.

Crossposted from my blog

China is considering allowing gambling on horse races in 2009.

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Quand la Chine s&#8217-eveillera&#8230- le monde tremblera. :-D

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Prediction Markets 101 – Chapter One: Interpreting The Probabilistic Predictions

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Probabilities, Prediction Markets, and Popular Fallacies

With Hillary&#8217-s surprise victory over Obama in the New Hampshire primary, pundits everywhere are decrying the allegedly &#8216-wrong&#8217- odds that prediction markets like Intrade were displaying prior to the announced results. (As just one example, Barry Ritholtz weighs in with his &#8216-explanation&#8217- of : &#8220-Why Opinion Markets Fail&#8220-.)

At one point the betting markets were implying over a 90% probability for Obama to win. Does this mean they were &#8216-wrong&#8217-? No it does not. It is impossible to judge whether a given probability is/was correct based on the outcome of a single event.

A 90% probability simply implies that, if you encounter a series of events each with a 90% probability, then 9 times out of 10, the favored outcome will occur- and 1 time out of 10, the unfavored outcome will occur. Those like Ritholtz who are now calling the prediction markets &#8216-wrong&#8217- are implying the following: if the probability is 90% for an outcome to occur, then that outcome should occur every time. In other words, if the odds are 90% in favor of something &#8212- it should happen 100% of the time! But this is obviously fallacious. If the outcome occurs 100% of the time, then the correct probability to assign to it would be 100% &#8212- not 90%.

To validly assess the accuracy of prediction markets, one needs to aggregate all the situations where the odds were 90%, and then calculate whether the favored outcome indeed occurred 90% of the time. (And do the same with each level of probability.) This &#8212- and only this &#8212- will tell you how accurate prediction markets tend to be.

Barry Ritholtz:

As every good prognosticator knows, if you couch your forecasts in probabilities, the innumeric will never know you were wrong. It&#8217-s a cheap trick for the easily fooled.

Imagine if instead of a &#8220-THE END IS NEAR&#8221- sign, every loon carried a sign that proclaimed:

THERE IS A 57% CHANCE THAT THE END IS NEAR!!!

The fact that this didn&#8217-t happen &#8212- and the 43% probability did &#8212- doesn&#8217-t mean this forecast was accurate. It merely meant that the person had proferred two possibilities and one of those two occurred. But the math remains unverified.

Neat trick: By your definition, PREDICTION MARKETS CAN NEVER BE WRONG, so long as they maintain a 1% possibility of the alternative outcome.

That&#8217-s hardly a satisfying defense&#8230-


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Prediction Markets 101

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Prediction markets produce dynamic, objective probabilistic predictions on the outcomes of future events by aggregating disparate pieces of information that traders bring when they agree on prices. Prediction markets are meta forecasting tools that feed on advanced indicators (like polls and surveys). Garbage in, garbage out&#8230- Intelligence in, intelligence out&#8230-

A prediction market is a market for a contract that yields payments based on the outcome of a partially uncertain future event, such as an election. A contract pays $100 only if candidate X wins the election, and $0 otherwise. When the market price of an X contract is $60, the prediction market believes that candidate X has a 60% chance of winning the election. The price of this event derivative can be interpreted as the objective probability of the future outcome (i.e., its most statistically accurate forecast). A 60% probability means that, in a series of events each with a 60% probability, then 60 times out of 100, the favored outcome will occur- and 40 times out of 100, the unfavored outcome will occur.

Each prediction exchange organizes its own set of real-money and/or play-money markets, using either a CDA or a MSR mechanism.

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Any comment, Michael Giberson? :-D

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Credits given to:

– Chris Masse-.

– Justin Wolfers.

Robin Hanson.

– Jason Ruspini.

– Caveat Bettor.

– John Tierney.

Jonathan Kennedy.

– Mike Giberson.

– Eric Zitzewitz.

– Cass Sunstein.

– Steve Roman,

– Nigel Eccles.

– The Everyday Economist.

– Adam Siegel.

George Tziralis.

– Leighton Vaughan-Williams.

– Emile Servan-Schreiber.

– &#8220-Thrutch&#8220-.

Panos Ipeirotis.

NewsFutures Emile Servan-Schreiber has two lines of defense for the prediction markets.

And a slam at the InTrade fanboys:

[&#8230-] The classic first line of defense in these cases is to remind people that market “predictions” are really just probabilities [*], so any one outcome cannot invalidate the approach. The argument is sound and backed up by loads of data. But it would of course be much more convincing if we, as an industry, would remember to show at least as much humility when our market “predictions” appear correct instead. If you’re going to spread the idea that your market called all 50 states in the last U.S. presidential election because each correct outcome was predicted with over 50% chance, then you can’t hide behind probabilities when an 80% prediction comes to naught, as in Obama’s NH collapse. [&#8230-]

Excellent point, my Lord.

[*] Note that Midas Oracle is stuffed with phrases like &#8220-probabilistic predictions expressed in percentages&#8221-, and full of charts showing these probabilities.

Go reading his second point, now.

[&#8230-] capturing the consensus opinion in a much finer and dynamic way than all the amorphous media buzz [&#8230-]

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TECHNICAL NOTE:

Because NewsFutures is a strictly hierarchical company, I assume the piece is from EJSS, even though our smart man did not sign it. Bad Karma. Anonymous texts have no weight on the Internet.

On the Internet, nobody knows you’re a dog.


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  • Once again, a BetFair spin doctor misunderstands the prediction market approach.
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  • Tss… Tss… Surely, you are joking Doctor Giberson.
  • Comments are still open on Midas Oracle.
  • “I am much more aligned with InTrade than you are, Chris.”
  • And the award for the most technology advanced software vendor goes to… the envelope, please…. QMARKETS in Israel. … [Cheers and applauses in the crowd.]

Columbia Journalism Review not much convinced by Wall Street Journals Justin Wolfers

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[&#8230-] Unfortunately, by the eve of the New Hampshire primary, Wolfers was back in the Journal, writing this time that the newspaper’s own prediction market, WSJ Political Marketplace, run by Intrade, was showing that New Hampshire might be the “death knell” for Clinton and a couple other candidates. After a bet like that, in Vegas they’d say, &#8220-craps.&#8221- 

Humm&#8230- I don&#8217-t like this CJR piece, but it shows that many in the non-business press are skeptical of prediction markets.

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Who did best in explaining the prediction markets to the lynching crowd?

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After the New Hampshire fiasco, 16 18 people came to defend the prediction markets, so far. So far, the best takes are from:

  1. George Tziralis
  2. Robin Hanson
  3. Jonathan Kennedy
  4. and I&#8217-ll give the 4th spot to a combo, mixing takes from John Tierney, Adam Siegel (surprisingly pertinent &#8211-I bet he is on a fish diet, post Christmas :-D ), and Steve Roman.
  5. UPDATE: &#8220-Thrutch&#8220-, Emile Servan-Schreiber and Panos Ipeirotis.

AWOLs (so far): PMIA, AEI-Brookings, InTrade, TradeSports, BetFair, TradeFair, NewsFutures, Emile Servan-Schreiber, Jed Christiansen, Koleman Strumpf, Bo Cowgill, Richard Borghesi, Chris Hibbert, David Perry, Ken Kittlitz, Paul Tetlock, David Pennock, Mike Linksvayer, Brent Stinsky, David Yu, Mark Davis, David Jack, James Surowiecki, Tyler Cowen, Greg Mankiw, Donald Luskin, John Delaney [*], etc.

[*] Steve Bass tells us that John Delaney&#8217-s pre-NH CNBC appearance was awesome. I was up that day, waiting for that CNBC segment, but failed to spot it. If somebody sends me the YouTube link, I&#8217-ll publish it here.