If Michael Giberson is wrong, then that means that Chris Masse is right.

Paul Hewitt:

I donta€™ know that you could say Chicago was the a€?weakest linka€?, just because it got dropped first in the voting. The political process caused it to go early. However, Michael Giberson is wrong to imply that the prediction was accurate on the basis that Chicago and Rio were fairly close. Leta€™s keep in mind that the options are about as discrete as they come. Even if Chicago were to have come in a close second, it would have been a complete miss by the market.

If one needed to make a decision that depended on whether Chicago would win the bid, the prior choice would have been completely wrong, once the true outcome was revealed.

I have to agree with Chris. The market participants did not possess a sufficient level of information completeness to arrive at the correct prediction. Furthermore, the discrete nature of the outcomes made it a risky prediction. Finally, Ia€™m guessing that few, if any, of the IOC voting members were involved in the prediction markets, leading one to conclude that all (or almost all) of the market participants were a€?noisea€? traders.

Elsewhere, another commentator claimed that, because the prediction market started to show Chicagoa€™s share falling during the morning of the vote, this was evidence that prediction markets work. Hardly. It does show that prediction markets rarely provide accurate predictions sufficiently in advance of the outcome, in order for useful decisions to be made.

The prediction market industry really needs to investigate the determinants of success and which types of markets (issues) have the potential to provide consistently accurate predictions. Way too much time and effort is being spent arguing about meaningless markets, trivial questions, and false accuracy claims.

Previously: The Chicago candidacy, which was favored by the prediction markets (and gullible bettors like Ben Shannon), is the one that fared the worst.

Previously: Chicago wona€™t have the Olympics in 2016.

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– BetFair&#8217-s event derivative prices:

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– InTrade&#8217-s event derivative prices:

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– HubDub&#8217-s event derivative prices:

Who will recieve the winning bid to host the 2016 Olympics?

Never try to divine the IOC decisions on Olympics venues, Mike.

Prof Michael Giberson,

No &#8220-careful observer knew this in advance&#8221- (about Chicago being a lemon), for the simple reason that if they knew, they would have downgraded Chicago on the InTrade and BetFair prediction markets, and Ben Shannon would have not bet $6,000 on Chicago.

I look forward to your contrite correction on the frontpage of Knowledge Problem &#8212-in bold, and with a link to Midas Oracle, stating that &#8220-Midas Oracle is the only website in the world to have told you *not* to bet on Chicago a€”and to stay (far) away from any Olympics venue prediction market.&#8221-

My thesis holds: The International Olympic Committee (IOC) is a close aristocratic group that does not leak out good information.

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Previously: The Chicago candidacy, which was favored by the prediction markets (and gullible bettors like Ben Shannon), is the one that fared the worst.

Previously: Chicago wona€™t have the Olympics in 2016.

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– BetFair&#8217-s event derivative prices:

chicago-olympics-betfair

– InTrade&#8217-s event derivative prices:

chicago-olympics-intrade

– HubDub&#8217-s event derivative prices:

Who will recieve the winning bid to host the 2016 Olympics?

Why an analyst should assess each newly created prediction market

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The Chicago candidacy, which was favored by the prediction markets (and gullible bettors like Ben Shannon), is the one that fared the worst.

As we have blogged here many times, not every prediction market is created equal. Some are bound to aggregate bits of known information. Some others (e.g., the Olympic city prediction markets) are not able to do that, because no good information is leaking out. The IOC is a close aristocratic group that does not leak out good information. Those who forgot that and bet the farm on Chicago are now licking their wounds. You need an information analyst to assess whether a particular prediction market is pertinent.

– BetFair&#8217-s event derivative prices:

chicago-olympics-betfair

– InTrade&#8217-s event derivative prices:

chicago-olympics-intrade

– HubDub&#8217-s event derivative prices:

Who will recieve the winning bid to host the 2016 Olympics?

Chicago wont have the Olympics in 2016.

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The Chicago candidacy, which was favored by the prediction markets (and bettors like Ben Shannon), is the one that fared the worst.

I TOLD YOU SO:

&#8220-Will Chicago get the Olympics? Dona€™t bet on it. Too risky.&#8220-

The prediction markets are not able to forecast which country will get the Olympics. The IOC is a close aristocratic group that does not leak information. Hence, it is not possible to aggregate information.

Once again, Ben Shannon made a very bad bet. He should read Midas Oracle more often &#8212-if he wants to avoid personal bankruptcy.

– Once again, we see that the P.R. agents of InTrade and BetFair (who both bragged about being able to predict Chicago) were overselling.

BetFair&#8217-s event derivative prices (on the far right of the chart, you can see that the price went down to zero):

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InTrade&#8217-s event derivative prices (on the far right of the chart, you can see that the price went down to zero):

chicago-olympics-intrade

– HubDub&#8217-s event derivative prices:

Who will recieve the winning bid to host the 2016 Olympics?

Professor Thomas Rietz (Iowa Electronic Markets) was so wrong on the usefulness of prediction markets about the 2016 Summer Olympics in Chicago.

Chicago Olympic Market Might Have Value, Says Reitz (Chicago Tribune, April 17)
A credible source of information about Chicago&#8217-s chances of hosting the 2016 Olympics would have value, says columnist Bill Barnhart. Local real estate developers, hotel operators, employment agencies, vendors of products and services to major events and others have a direct stake in whether or not an Olympics is staged here. Politicians and civic leaders presumably would want to know whether the city&#8217-s bid has a chance, so that they wouldn&#8217-t throw good money after bad. An auction market centered on whether Chicago will win could provide that information, even if there were no huge payoff for hedgers or speculators, said finance professor THOMAS RIETZ at the University of Iowa, a board member of the popular Iowa Electronic Markets. The Iowa market limits wagers to $500 but has an enviable track record in picking the winners of national elections. &#8220-Our goal is to aggregate information, which is a different goal than being able to hedge the economic risk associated with something like this,&#8221- Rietz said. &#8220-I don&#8217-t think it&#8217-s an outlandish idea.&#8221-

http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/yourmoney/chi-0704160447apr17,0,2547860.column?coll=chi-business-hed

Prof, you were 100% wrong.

Prediction markets on which country will host the Olympics have never worked.

BetFair&#8217-s event derivative prices (on the far right of the chart, you can see that the price went down to zero):

chicago-olympics-betfair

InTrade&#8217-s event derivative prices (on the far right of the chart, you can see that the price went down to zero):

chicago-olympics-intrade

– HubDub&#8217-s event derivative prices:

Who will recieve the winning bid to host the 2016 Olympics?

What is the liquidity on InTrades financial prediction markets?

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My dear honorable Carlos Graterol,

I acknowledge you are a little InTrade fanboy, and that flies OK in my book. You say there are 3,000 daily transactions on the daily DJIA prediction markets. (It was much higher than that before the CFTC fined InTrade.) While I reckon that this liquidity is enough to generate trustworthy predictions, it is very small compared to the liquidity of the financial markets or BetFair&#8217-s liquidity. For your information, BetFair handles more transactions than the London Stock Exchange. InTrade&#8217-s liquidity is small compared to BetFair&#8217-s, and is certainly too small to generate profitability. That&#8217-s what counts.

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InTrade.Nets free workforce: Calling a spade… a spade.

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Here&#8217-s my answer to Jamie Burrows:

  1. Midas Oracle is an independent publication &#8212-independent from InTrade, and from the other prediction market organizations. We say what we want, here.
  2. As I explained in my comment, there are 2 situations. Case #1 is Inkling Markets and HubDub who ask for volunteers and make it clear that there is no compensation for managing the play-money prediction markets. Case #1 is as clear as spring water. Case #2 is InTrade.Net who ask for volunteers and lure them by floating a &#8220-compensation&#8220- who would be made up of proceeds from Google AdWords/AdSense. The problem is that it is well known that this program brings peanuts for the sites and pages that receive a low web traffic. (And for the high-traffic sites, the revenue collected from ads doesn&#8217-t pay for the time spent on writing for the web publication. See #4.)
  3. Luring small people into thinking they can get &#8220-compensated&#8221- by working for InTrade.Net is thus highly un-ethical &#8212-to say the least.
  4. My dear Jamie, isn&#8217-t the role of independent publications to inform readers about things that big corporations want to hide from the public?

Patrick Young (InTrades fifth Beatle) still cant figure out the industry he helped created.

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Well, we&#8217-re here to help out the lost souls. :-D

Patrick Young:

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Director and Founder: Intrade

Privately Held- 11-50 employees- Capital Markets industry

September 1999 – February 2002 (2 years 6 months)

I was one of the founders and a director of the company Intrade which set up one of the first sports exchanges in Europe.

Nowadays there is a vogue for calling these businesses prediction markets&#8230-which presumably mans there must be markets that don&#8217-t predict events and trade on past [occurrence]?

No, it means that prediction markets are optimized for simplicity and usability &#8212-as opposed to the other derivative markets, which are quite complicated and inaccessible to the mainstream people.

Prediction markets are a zero-sum game.

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Did you lose money betting on InTrade, lately? Well, your money ended up in the pocket of that guy:

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UPDATE: There was nothing about &#8220-hating the game&#8221- in my post. It was just a reference to the &#8220-sheep and wolves&#8221- concept floated by Robin Hanson. (See also the Iowa Electronic Markets research on their traders.)

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