Long-term housing derivatives?

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Tangentially related to the recurring long-term prediction markets discussion, I noticed at Economic Housing Derivatives that TFS London has launched a &#8220-Future House Price Index&#8221- extending to 2030.

A Reuters article says New indexes see UK house prices doubling by 2030:

The aim of the TFS FHP series of indexes, calculated using over-the-counter swaps based on the Halifax house price index (HPI) and traded by banks, was to raise the profile of British house price derivatives by expressing market expectations in more easily understandable terms.

I&#8217-m not at all certain whether banks are trading securities that expire in 2030 or this index is pure extrapolation. And despite the sensational &#8220-doubling&#8221- headline, the numbers (see the Economic Housing Derivatives post) seem to indicate a 2.7% annual increase, presumably not much above expected inflation.

CME housing futures go out no further than one year.

Something interesting, or move along?

Correction: The blog cited is called Housing Derivatives, not Economic Derivatives.

Among yesterdays visitors to this group blog

The enforcer of the Internet Gambling Prohibition and Enforcement Act (H.R. 4411):

usdoj.gov

– federalreserve.org

Read the last blog posts by Chris Masse:

After NETeller, Citadel is out of the US market.

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The Guardian:

The Vancouver-based ESI Entertainment, a rival firm which operates the payment processor Citadel, confirmed yesterday that it too was withdrawing from the US with immediate effect.

This is from TradeSports:

TradeSports

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Former Blog Posts:

– NETeller people arrested. TradeSports people, next??

Internet Gambling Crisis – AGAIN

NETeller yesterday, TradeSports-InTrade tomorrow?

Using NETeller for TradeSports-InTrade, no more

– Gambling Enabler Neteller Craps Out.

– NETeller alternatives

– Which will be the next major sportsbook to leave the US market? – REDUX

What about a blog post in support of TradeSports-Intrade??

Alex Forshaw, Caveat Bettor, Steve Roman, Sacha Peter, Brad, and company:

– Would you be interested in drafting and signing a collective blog post in support of TradeSports-InTrade. It would be cross-posted on all the traders&#8217- blogs.

Read the last blog posts by Chris Masse:

Which will be the next major sportsbook to leave the US market? – REDUX

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TEN CEO John Delaney&#8217-s arrogance didn&#8217-t go unnoticed by the TradeSports-InTrade traders. How come his own betting exchange wasn&#8217-t included in the gambling industry prediction market??

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Todd73NJ:

How come TradeSports isn&#8217-t listed on there&#8230- since the contract will be on Intrade, which will be a separate company shortly, I don&#8217-t think listing TS would be a crazy idea. Would probably be the highest volume traded of all of them.

I&#8217-d trade the TS contract&#8230- And I only use one of those other books regularly which I know will be the last one to fall for sure&#8230- So I really only have interest in TS and World Sports Exchange

Abacus:

They used the term &#8220-sportsbook&#8221- so they could leave TS off by claiming it is an &#8220-exchange&#8221- and not a &#8220-sportsbook&#8221-.

Guys, I&#8217-m glad you put it up but it is meaningless unless you include your own company.

Do the right thing and change the contract.

Suggested modification:

Next major online entertainment company to withdraw from the US:

Betcris
B*d*g
Greek
Sportsbook.com
Tradesports
W*ex
None

Discussion about applicability of prediction markets for long-term prediction!

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For now, prediction markets are mostly used for short- or mid-term prognosis horizons.

The pay-off for the traders is contingent upon the real event. That means they have to wait until the actual event occurs, before they know what their prognosis is worth and what the pay-off for each contract is.

What about long-term events?

For long-term prediction, this doesn’t seem to be a practicable way. Waiting till 2020 when e.g. the real unemployment rate is published does not provide an incentive to trade shares for this.

But what could be a way to construe a reasonable pay-off function?

One possible approach by Prof. Spann at the University of Passau is to run two separate prediction markets concurrently. All information about prices, traders etc. of market A would not available for traders of market B and contrary.

The pay-off for Market A would be the final price of Market B and vice versa.

So it is possible to run an virtual market for e.g. 2 months predicting the outcome of an event in 2020.Another way is to let an expert(s) assess the event an use his (their) opinions as the pay-off function.

Furthermore the own end-price of the market could be the pay-off. But then manipulation is to be expected.
I&#8217-m looking forward to discuss this challenge with you!

P.S. www.Ideosphere.com seems to be a prediction market for long term predictions, but they don’t provide a solution for the problem.

BetFair Multiples??

No GravatarBetFair Multiples – in the Racing Post, page 89 – Thursday, January 18, 2007

I would appreciate if a U.K.-based Midas Oracle reader informed me or sent me excerpts. Thanks. Will make up to you. I heard that it means that BetFair is going to become a bookmaker, but I can&#8217-t believe my eyes.

Betfair previously only accepted single bets on match results forcing punters wishing to make multiple match bets – such as trebles and accumulators – to go to traditional firms like William Hill and Ladbrokes.

But now, in a radical move, the Hammersmith based company are ready to accept multiples. In a major shift in strategy, Betfair itself will act as the bookmaker offering odds taken from their person-to-person singles football markets.

The company claim they will invariably offer better odds than High Street rivals even allowing for five per cent commission. Steve High, Betfair&#8217-s product manager, said: &#8220-Our aim is to be the biggest online betting company.&#8221-

(Thanks to Fabian John for the link.)

Previous blog posts by Chris F. Masse:

  • Robin Hanson wants to rule the world —just as CEOs and heads of states do for a living.
  • Predictify got funded… Great for those who will be hired… But is it a good thing, overall?
  • Nassim Nicholas Taleb likens modern-day financial markets to medicine in the 1800s, when going to a hospital in London or Paris multiplied your risk of death by four times, he says. Similarly, quants increase risk by deploying flawed financial tools designed to reduce it, he argues.
  • TradeSports-InTrade — Check Deposits
  • BetFair Australia fought for free trade across Australian state boundaries… and won.

NETeller yesterday, TradeSports-InTrade tomorrow?

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Via Betting Market at Delicious (which you may bookmark if you wish to get further links on the new internet Gambling crisis, later on this week):

– United States of America v. Stephen Eric Lawrence

– United States of America v. John David Legebvre

– Loosely related: Gary Kaplan (BetOnSports) – InterPol – (Frauds, Thefts) – [Note: From memory, Robin Hanson participated in a pro-gambling conference sponsored by BetOnSports, some years ago. Addendum: With Koleman Strumpf. The link.]

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Does the U.S. government consider the offshore, real-money prediction exchanges (a.k.a. betting exchanges) as part of the &#8220-internet gambling industry&#8221- and will it enforce the Internet Gambling Prohibition and Enforcement Act (H.R. 4411) against TradeSports-InTrade?

Do TEN CEO John Delaney and the TEN shareholders (venture capitalists and angel investors) have knowledge that they have been participating in a criminal activity in the United States?

1. Criminal laws exist in the United States that prohibit persons from promoting certain forms of gambling.

2. Criminal laws exist in the United States that prohibit the transmission of funds that are known to have been derived from criminal activity or are intended to promote criminal activity.

Midas Oracle is forbidden on the TradeSports-InTrade forum.

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&#8220-Brad&#8221- and &#8220-Caveat Bettor&#8221-, among others, are allowed to pitch their site or blog on the TradeSports-InTrade forum. When I did the same in October 2006, my posting was immediately deleted. Something I said???

Note: CFM (the vortal on event derivatives, prediction markets and prediction exchanges) and the two Midas Oracle blogs (Midas Oracle .ORG and Midas Oracle .NET) contains hundreds, if not thousands, of outbounds links to TradeSports-InTrade.

My Question To Mike Linskvayer: Mike, is there a Web-based tool somewhere that would scan all the webpages of my site and blogs, and count how many outbound links to TradeSports-InTrade there are?