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		<title>$42 million invested in WeatherBill &#8211; [P.R.]</title>
		<link>http://www.midasoracle.org/2011/03/01/google-ventures-weatherbill/</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Mar 2011 08:54:23 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Chris F. Masse</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[WeatherBill may fundamentally change the risk profile of the global agriculture industry. http://www.weatherbill.com/]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://tech.fortune.cnn.com/2011/02/28/google-ventures-next-big-bet-weather-insurance/">WeatherBill may fundamentally change the risk profile of the global agriculture industry</a>.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.weatherbill.com/">http://www.weatherbill.com/</a></p>
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		<title>Is weather betting legal if you bundle it with auto leasing?</title>
		<link>http://www.midasoracle.org/2009/07/26/is-weather-betting-legal-if-you-bundle-it-with-auto-leasing/</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Jul 2009 18:28:07 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Eric Zitzewitz</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Pride Motors, a Boston area car dealer, is advertising the following special: Lease a car before August 26, and if it&#8217;s above 96 degrees at Boston Logan Airport on Labor Day, they will make your first 12 lease payments for &#8230; <a href="http://www.midasoracle.org/2009/07/26/is-weather-betting-legal-if-you-bundle-it-with-auto-leasing/">Continue reading <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pride Motors, a Boston area car dealer, is advertising the following special:</p>
<p>Lease a car before August 26, and if it&#8217;s above 96 degrees at Boston Logan Airport on Labor Day, they will make your first 12 lease payments for you (minimum 36 month lease term).</p>
<p>This reminds me a lot of Jordan Furniture&#8217;s &#8220;free furniture if the Red Sox win the series&#8221; promotion, which prompted me to ask if <a href="http://www.midasoracle.org/2007/10/24/is-sports-betting-legal-if-you-bundle-it-with-furniture/">sports betting was now legal if you bundle it with furniture?</a></p>
<p>A difference with the Jordan&#8217;s promotion is that the implied amount of betting here is actually pretty trivial.Â  First, note that <strong>a year&#8217;s lease payments are only about 15 percent of the value of the car</strong>.Â  Second, <strong>the odds of temperatures that high at Logan are tiny</strong> (Logan is surrounded by Boston Harbor, which may help moderate the temperatures).</p>
<p><a href="http://weatherbill.com/">Weatherbill.com</a> is willing to sell me for $69,000 a contract that pays $1,000,000 per day with a high above 96 at Logan in the 15-day window surrounding Labor Day.Â  Divide by 15 and you have <strong>a market-implied probability of 0.46%</strong>.Â  Weatherbill also tells me that in the last 30 years this contract would&#8217;ve paid $33,333 on average, for <strong>a historical probability of around 0.22%</strong>.Â  So the <strong>actual expected discount</strong> implied by this promotion is around <strong>0.033% to 0.069%,</strong> compared with 10% for Jordan&#8217;s<strong>.</strong></p>
<p>OneÂ interesting thing about this promotion is how the commercial starts (I&#8217;m paraphrasing):Â  &#8220;92 degrees, 90 degrees &#8230; it&#8217;s been cool lately, but remember those scortching Labor Days &#8230;&#8221;Â  They are clearly playing on both <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gambler's_fallacy">the Gambler&#8217;s fallacy</a> and its reverse, just at different frequencies.</p>
<p>But my main takeaway is:Â  <strong>could gambling policy in the country be any more screwed up</strong>?</p>
<p>P.S.Â Â Some interesting follow up onÂ Jordan&#8217;s:Â  they were <a href="http://www.metrowestdailynews.com/homepage/x947780040/Jordans-Furniture-sued-over-Red-Sox-promotion">sued over the promotion</a> by a manÂ previously convicted of running anÂ illegal lottery, who bought furniture during their 2008 promotion and then sued after the Red Sox did not win that year.Â  The letter from the Mass AG posted in comment #2Â indicated that the AG reviewed the promotion and decided not to take action.Â  So I guess the answer to my question is that <strong>betting is legal if bundled with a product, at least in Massachusettes</strong>.</p>
<p>The suitsÂ against Jordan&#8217;s have (predictably) been <a href="http://toa.hiasys.com/business/general/view.bg?articleid=1186560">struggling</a>.</p>
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		<title>WeatherBill can be thought of a) as expressive insurance b) as a combinatorial prediction market with an automated market maker.</title>
		<link>http://www.midasoracle.org/2009/03/26/weatherbill-insurance-prediction-markets/</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Mar 2009 08:07:59 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Chris F. Masse</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[This clarification from our good doctor David Pennock shows how indispensable this research scientist is to small people like us. Without David Pennock, the field of prediction markets would collapse like a castle of cards. Ha! ha! ha!&#8230; As a &#8230; <a href="http://www.midasoracle.org/2009/03/26/weatherbill-insurance-prediction-markets/">Continue reading <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://blog.oddhead.com/2008/08/19/weatherbill-combinatorial-prediction-market/">This <strong>clarification</strong> from our good doctor David Pennock</a> shows how <strong>indispensable</strong> this <strong>research scientist</strong> is to <strong>small people</strong> like us. <img src='http://www.midasoracle.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':-D' class='wp-smiley' />  Without David Pennock, the field of prediction markets would collapse like a castle of cards. Ha! ha! ha!&#8230;</p>
<p>As a blogger, <a href="http://weatherbill.com/">WeatherBill</a> presents a difficulty: How to you categorize it? I fill it in these 4 categories:</p>
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<li><strong>insurance </strong>(obviously);</li>
<li><strong>finance</strong> (because it is hedging);</li>
<li><strong>exchanges</strong> (because of what our good doctor Pennock said above, see the title);</li>
<li><strong>betting</strong> (because the reverse of hedging is speculation);</li>
<li>UPDATE: I just added &#8220;<strong>hedging</strong>&#8221; &#8212;so that&#8217;s <strong>5 categories</strong> now, probably too many. (It probably shows my readers that I am confused&#8230; and really need a &#8220;research scientist&#8221;. Ha! ha! ha! <img src='http://www.midasoracle.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':-D' class='wp-smiley' />  )</li>
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		<title>GET RICH QUICK BY EXPLOITING WEATHERBILL&#8217;S BUG.</title>
		<link>http://www.midasoracle.org/2009/03/26/exploiting-weatherbill-bug/</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Mar 2009 07:02:40 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Chris F. Masse</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Report via our good doctor David Pennock &#8212;proving once again how indispensable this blogging research scientist is to the field of prediction markets. ( &#8211; Wooarf, wooarf, wooarf.) -]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Report via <a href="http://blog.oddhead.com/2009/03/25/tale-of-two-insurance-prediction-markets/">our good doctor David Pennock</a> &#8212;proving once again how <strong>indispensable</strong> this blogging research scientist is to the field of prediction markets. ( <img src='http://www.midasoracle.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':-D' class='wp-smiley' />  &#8211; Wooarf, wooarf, wooarf.)</p>
<p>-</p>
<p><a href="http://blog.oddhead.com/2009/03/25/tale-of-two-insurance-prediction-markets/"><img class="alignnone size-full wp-image-13339" title="weatherbill-mistake" src="http://www.midasoracle.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/weatherbill-mistake.gif" alt="weatherbill-mistake" width="717" height="161" /></a></p>
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		<title>Did the CFTC relax its ECPs requirement for eBOTs?</title>
		<link>http://www.midasoracle.org/2009/03/25/weather-bill/</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Mar 2009 08:35:38 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Chris F. Masse</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Contra Chris Masse (who blogged cockily that that would never happened), WeatherBill is now available to any weather-sensitive business, large or small. No $1m net worth required, anymore. Developing&#8230; Waiting for a P.R. release from them today [tomorrow, on another &#8230; <a href="http://www.midasoracle.org/2009/03/25/weather-bill/">Continue reading <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.midasoracle.org/2008/08/25/weatherbill-cftc/">Contra Chris Masse (who blogged cockily that that would <strong>never</strong> happened)</a>, <a href="http://weatherbill.com/">WeatherBill</a> is now available to any weather-sensitive business, large or small. <strong>No $1m net worth required, anymore.</strong></p>
<p>Developing&#8230;</p>
<p>Waiting for a P.R. release from them <span style="text-decoration: line-through;">today</span> [tomorrow, on another subject]&#8230;</p>
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		<title>Sean Park didn&#8217;t bribe me to post this web link.</title>
		<link>http://www.midasoracle.org/2009/02/23/weatherbill-weather-hedging/</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Feb 2009 10:49:04 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Chris F. Masse</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[WeatherBill &#8211; New user interface &#8211; Check it out. And, of course, they blog. UPDATE: Sunshine Guaranteed or Your Money Back &#8211; pdf]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong><a title="WeatherBill" href="http://www.weatherbill.com/">WeatherBill</a></strong> &#8211; New user interface &#8211; Check it out.</p>
<p>And, of course, they <a href="http://blog.weatherbill.com/">blog</a>.</p>
<p>UPDATE: Sunshine Guaranteed or Your Money Back &#8211; <a href="http://www.weatherbill.com/assets/LandingPageDocs/Weather-Promotions-White-Paper.pdf">pdf</a></p>
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		<title>WeatherBill C.E.O. David Friedberg hopes to persuade [!?] the Commodities Futures Trading Commission (C.F.T.C.) to change the requirement that currently limits weather derivative traders to accredited investors with a minimum net worth of $1 million.</title>
		<link>http://www.midasoracle.org/2008/08/25/weatherbill-cftc/</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2008 16:32:35 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Chris F. Masse</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hummmmmmmmm&#8230; Quite a bold ambition. I&#8217;m very surprised by his statement. Is he naive? Via our chief economist Michael Giberson. UPDATE: Did the CFTC relax its ECPs requirement for eBOTs?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a title="Ex-Google exec David Friedberg is applying Google-like technology to allow all types of businesses to hedge their exposure to the elements." href="http://www.portfolio.com/executives/features/2008/08/07/WeatherBill-CEO-David-Friedberg">Hummmmmmmmm</a>&#8230; <span style="text-decoration: line-through;"><strong>Quite a bold ambition</strong>. I&#8217;m very surprised by his statement. <strong>Is he naive?</strong></span><a title="Ex-Google exec David Friedberg is applying Google-like technology to allow all types of businesses to hedge their exposure to the elements." href="http://www.portfolio.com/executives/features/2008/08/07/WeatherBill-CEO-David-Friedberg"><br />
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<p><a title="Betting on the weather as a way to manage risks" href="http://www.knowledgeproblem.com/archives/002640.html">Via our chief economist Michael Giberson</a>.</p>
<p><strong>UPDATE: <a href="http://www.midasoracle.org/2009/03/25/weather-bill/">Did the CFTC relax its ECPs requirement for eBOTs?</a></strong></p>
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		<title>WeatherBill can be thought of a) as expressive insurance b) as a combinatorial prediction market with an automated market maker.</title>
		<link>http://www.midasoracle.org/2008/08/19/weatherbill-david-pennock/</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 14:01:46 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Chris F. Masse</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[David Pennock His analysis misses the fact that WeatherBill re-sells the risks to hedge funds that want to make a profit (as opposed to an automated market maker that may lose money) &#8212;but I am not sure that&#8217;s important in &#8230; <a href="http://www.midasoracle.org/2008/08/19/weatherbill-david-pennock/">Continue reading <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong><a title=" WeatherBill shows the way toward usable combinatorial prediction markets" href="http://blog.oddhead.com/2008/08/19/weatherbill-combinatorial-prediction-market/">David Pennock</a></strong></p>
<p>His analysis misses the fact that <strong><a href="http://www.weatherbill.com/">WeatherBill</a> re-sells the risks to hedge funds</strong> that want to make a profit (as opposed to an automated market maker that may lose money) &#8212;but I am not sure that&#8217;s important in the analysis.</p>
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		<title>Keyword Of The Day &#8212; Wednesday Edition</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 17:38:48 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Chris F. Masse</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Embedded Event Derivatives Excellent. -]]></description>
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<p>Excellent.</p>
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		<title>An Atlanta hair saloon is one of the many satisfied clients of WeatherBill.</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jan 2008 07:24:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Via Steve Roman, The Atlanta Journal &#8211; Constitution: [...] Atlanta hair salon owners Ray Luciano and Spencer Malay recently reeled in a bundle â€” tens of thousands of dollars â€” after taking out insurance-like coverage called &#8220;weather derivatives.&#8221; Their Buckhead &#8230; <a href="http://www.midasoracle.org/2008/01/19/an-atlanta-hair-saloon-is-one-of-the-many-satisfied-clients-of-weatherbill/">Continue reading <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a title=" WeatherBill's Success" href="http://nastybrutishandtall.com/2008/01/weatherbills-success.html">Via Steve Roman</a>, <a title="When it gets too dry, he's well covered" href="http://www.ajc.com/services/content/business/stories/2008/01/14/drought_0114.html?cxtype=rss&amp;cxsvc=7&amp;cxcat=6">The Atlanta Journal &#8211; Constitution</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>[...] Atlanta hair salon owners Ray Luciano and Spencer Malay recently reeled in a bundle â€” tens of thousands of dollars â€” after taking out insurance-like coverage called &#8220;weather derivatives.&#8221; Their Buckhead salon does well when it rains, drawing walk-ins and overflow from the nearby mall and movie theater. &#8220;<strong>If it&#8217;s a sunny day, they [shoppers] tend to do outside stuff, not go to the movies, not go shopping, not get their hair don</strong>e,&#8221; Luciano said. [...] <strong>In the last nine months, the owners at Spencer Malay Hair have taken out four contracts, and Lady Luck has smiled on them three times. </strong>The most recent was for the holiday season between mid-November and just before Christmas. &#8220;We put a dry-season contract on it because we hired a couple of new stylists,&#8221; Luciano said. The proceeds, which he declined to talk about in detail, allowed them to &#8220;pay our staff while business was not as good as good as it could have been.&#8221; [...]</p></blockquote>
<p><em>Previously</em>: <a title="Thoughts on Weather Bill" href="http://www.midasoracle.org/2007/01/04/thoughts-on-weather-bill/">Eric Zitzewitz on WeatherBill</a></p>
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