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		<title>Professor Thomas Rietz (Iowa Electronic Markets) was so wrong on the usefulness of prediction markets about the 2016 Summer Olympics in Chicago.</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Oct 2009 16:49:15 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Chris F. Masse</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Chicago Olympic Market Might Have Value, Says Reitz (Chicago Tribune, April 17) A credible source of information about Chicago&#8217;s chances of hosting the 2016 Olympics would have value, says columnist Bill Barnhart. Local real estate developers, hotel operators, employment agencies, &#8230; <a href="http://www.midasoracle.org/2009/10/02/2016-summer-olympics-in-chicago/">Continue reading <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p style="padding-left: 90px;"><strong><a href="http://tippie.uiowa.edu/news/story.cfm?id=1646">Chicago Olympic Market Might Have Value, Says Reitz (Chicago Tribune, April 17)</a></strong><br />
A credible source of information about Chicago&#8217;s chances of hosting the 2016 Olympics would have value, says columnist Bill Barnhart. Local real estate developers, hotel operators, employment agencies, vendors of products and services to major events and others have a direct stake in whether or not an Olympics is staged here. Politicians and civic leaders presumably would want to know whether the city&#8217;s bid has a chance, so that they wouldn&#8217;t throw good money after bad. <span style="color: #ff0000;"><strong>An auction market centered on whether Chicago will win could provide that information, even if there were no huge payoff for hedgers or speculators, said finance professor THOMAS RIETZ</strong></span> at the University of Iowa, a board member of the popular Iowa Electronic Markets. The Iowa market limits wagers to $500 but has an enviable track record in picking the winners of national elections. &#8220;Our goal is to aggregate information, which is a different goal than being able to hedge the economic risk associated with something like this,&#8221; Rietz said. &#8220;I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s an outlandish idea.&#8221;</p>
<p>http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/yourmoney/chi-0704160447apr17,0,2547860.column?coll=chi-business-hed</p>
<p><strong><a href="http://www.midasoracle.org/2007/04/18/2016-summer-olympics-in-chicago-prediction-markets-anyone/">Prof, you were 100% wrong</a>.</strong></p>
<p><strong><a href="http://www.midasoracle.org/2009/09/29/olympics-chicago/">Prediction markets on which country</a> will <a href="http://www.midasoracle.org/2009/10/02/chicago-wont-have-the-olympics-in-2016/">host the Olympics <span style="color: #ff0000;">have never</span> worked</a>.</strong></p>
<p>- <strong>BetFair&#8217;s event derivative prices (on the far right of the chart, you can see that the price went down to <span style="color: #ff0000;">zero</span>):</strong></p>
<p><a href="http://www.betfair.com/"><img title="chicago-olympics-betfair" src="http://www.midasoracle.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/chicago-olympics-betfair.jpg" alt="chicago-olympics-betfair" width="394" height="459" /></a></p>
<p>- <strong>InTrade&#8217;s event derivative prices (on the far right of the chart, you can see that the price went down to <span style="color: #ff0000;">zero</span>):</strong></p>
<p><a href="http://www.intrade.com/"><img title="chicago-olympics-intrade" src="http://www.midasoracle.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/chicago-olympics-intrade.png" alt="chicago-olympics-intrade" width="500" height="199" /></a></p>
<p>- HubDub&#8217;s event derivative prices:</p>
<div style="border:1px solid #e4e4e4;text-align:center;font-size:16px;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;width:420px;color:#4589ce;background-color:#fff;padding:5px;"><img style="margin:-5px;margin-bottom:5px" src="http://www.hubdub.com/images/mkt_wdgt_top.gif"/><a target="_blank" href="http://www.hubdub.com/e/Market/Who_will_recieve_the_winning_bid_to_host_the_2016_Olympics_4886?utm_campaign=widget_market&#038;utm_medium=widget">Who will recieve the winning bid to host the 2016 Olympics?</a><a target="_blank" href="http://www.hubdub.com/e/Market/Who_will_recieve_the_winning_bid_to_host_the_2016_Olympics_4886?utm_campaign=widget_market&#038;utm_medium=widget"><img src="http://widget.hubdub.com/widget/market/m.4886.t.6.type.png/getin.gif" style="margin-top:5px;border-width:0 !important;padding:0 !important;"></a></div>
<p>- Here&#8217;s what happened to the Paris 2012 event derivative:</p>
<p><img title="Paris 2012" src="http://www.midasoracle.org/wp-content/uploads/2007/01/paris-to-be-host-city-for-2012-olympics.gif" alt="Paris 2012" width="300" height="150" /></p>
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		<title>Combinatorial Prediction Markets &#8212; David Pennock Edition</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Mar 2009 20:21:06 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Chris F. Masse</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[ACM: [...] Prediction markets are gaining interest because the Internet allows greater worldwide access to them, as well as to the ever-increasing amount of data stored on any topic imaginable (which theoretically allows participants to make more informed predictions, individually &#8230; <a href="http://www.midasoracle.org/2009/03/19/combinatorial-prediction-markets-david-pennock-edition/">Continue reading <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong><a href="http://cacm.acm.org/magazines/2009/3/21773-betting-on-ideas/fulltext">ACM</a>:</strong></p>
<p style="padding-left: 300px;">[...] Prediction markets are gaining interest because the Internet allows greater worldwide access to them, as well as to the ever-increasing amount of data stored on any topic imaginable (which theoretically allows participants to make more informed predictions, individually and in aggregate). These factors, plus the enormous amount of computing power that will make it possible to instantly calculate exponentially small odds, are stimulating new research on advanced computational models in prediction markets. <strong>These models could be capable of analyzing entire events such as the annual NCAA collegiate basketball tournament, which begins a 63-game schedule with 2<sup>63</sup> possible outcomes by the tournament&#8217;s end.</strong> [...]</p>
<p style="padding-left: 300px;">Growing opportunities in internal private-sector prediction markets are also revealing divergent philosophies among the markets&#8217; designers. Many of the public markets feature price-adjustment algorithms built around answering discrete multiple-choice outcomes, such as <strong>which candidate will win an election or if a product will launch in month x, y, or z. </strong>[...]</p>
<p style="padding-left: 300px;">IEM steering committee member Thomas Rietz, a professor of finance at the university, says the aggregate zero-risk design of the IEM allows the markets to perfectly reflect the aggregate forecast opinions of its participants. By aggregate zero-risk, Rietz explains that when a trader enters a particular bilateral (either/or) market, he or she must buy one share of each choice, called a bundle, for a total cost of $1. If the trader holds the bundle until the market concludes, there is neither profit nor gain. If the trader guesses the outcome successfully, and sells the losing unit of the bundle to another trader while the market is running, he or she picks up the original $1 bet plus whatever price was agreed upon for the losing share that was sold. If the trader chooses to hold onto the loser and sell the eventual winner, however, they will incur the $1 loss at payout time. <strong>At any given time, the number of eventual winning shares and losing shares is equal and held by the traders. So, the university bears no counterparty risk and there is no need to provide hedging margins that irrationally affect outcomes.</strong> &#8220;<strong>The price you would be willing to buy or sell for today is your expectation of its value in the futureâ€”the prices can be directly interpreted as a forecast</strong>,&#8221; Rietz says. &#8220;In ordinary futures markets, there is a long-lasting debate, going back to John Maynard Keynes in the 1930s, over whether prices can legitimately be used as forecasts, and it all hinges on whether or not people demand a return or face a risk in aggregate when they&#8217;re investing in these contracts.&#8221; [...]</p>
<p style="padding-left: 300px;">One enduring research problem on combinatorial markets is mitigating the effects a virtually unlimited spectrum of outcomes will have on creating markets that are so thin in trades they do not serve their purpose of aggregating information. In such markets, which might bear a resemblance to an enterprise prediction market in that there are not enough participants to provide a statistically valid spread of opinion, <strong>Pennock says a market-maker algorithm might serve as a price setter within widely acceptable limits.</strong> &#8220;I believe that approximation algorithms will be fine for the market maker, because people don&#8217;t really care about making bets on things that are incredibly unlikely, like 10âˆ’6 chance,&#8221; Pennock says. &#8220;But as long as you&#8217;re betting on something with a 10% chance of happening, we&#8217;ll be able to approximate pretty quickly with a market-maker price.&#8221; [...]</p>
<p><a href="http://www.dpennock.com/">David Pennock&#8217;s website</a> and <a href="http://blog.oddhead.com/">blog</a></p>
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		<title>CNBC on prediction markets</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[CNBC = Entertainment - InTrade CEO John Delaney is 15 minutes in. - Tom Rietz of Iowa Electronic Markets is 1 minute in. &#8211; [PAY ATTENTION TO HOW PROF TOM RIETZ EXPRESSES PRICES AS PROBABILITIES.] Tip via John Delaney Jason &#8230; <a href="http://www.midasoracle.org/2008/11/04/cnbc-pms/">Continue reading <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.midasoracle.org/2008/06/03/tv-news/">CNBC = Entertainment</a></p>
<p>- <a href="http://www.cnbc.com/id/27501699">InTrade CEO John Delaney is <strong>15 minutes in</strong></a><strong>.</strong></p>
<p>- <a href="http://www.cnbc.com/id/27501720">Tom Rietz of Iowa Electronic Markets is <strong>1 minute in</strong></a><strong>. &#8211; [PAY ATTENTION TO HOW PROF TOM RIETZ EXPRESSES PRICES AS PROBABILITIES.]<br />
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<p>Tip via <span style="text-decoration: line-through;">John Delaney</span> Jason Ruspini.</p>
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		<title>2016 Summer Olympics in Chicago: Prediction Markets, anyone??</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Next: Chicago won&#8217;t have the Olympics in 2016. Next: The Chicago candidacy, which was favored by the prediction markets (and gullible bettors like Ben Shannon), is the one that fared the worst. Next: Why an analyst should assess each newly &#8230; <a href="http://www.midasoracle.org/2007/04/18/2016-summer-olympics-in-chicago-prediction-markets-anyone/">Continue reading <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong><em>Next</em>: <a href="http://www.midasoracle.org/2009/10/02/chicago-wont-have-the-olympics-in-2016/">Chicago won&#8217;t have the Olympics in 2016.</a></strong></p>
<p><strong><em>Next</em>: <a href="http://www.midasoracle.org/2009/10/05/chicago-olympics-2/">The Chicago candidacy, which was favored by the prediction markets (and gullible bettors like Ben Shannon), is the one that fared the worst.</a></strong></p>
<p><strong><em>Next</em>: <a href="http://www.midasoracle.org/2009/10/03/assessing-prediction-markets/">Why an analyst should assess each newly created prediction market.</a></strong></p>
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<p>Why Chicago Tribune&#8217;s Bill Barnhart, Iowa Electronic Markets&#8217; Thomas Rietz, University of Chicago Law School&#8217;s Cass Sunstein, Consensus Point&#8217;s David Perry and HedgeStreet&#8217;s Russell Andersson are totally incompetent prediction market analysts.</p>
<p>Those five incompetents would be better off minding their statement before singing like idiotic canaries.</p>
<p><a title="Olympics venue an intriguing bet, just not in Chicago" href="http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/yourmoney/chi-0704160447apr17,0,2547860.column?coll=chi-business-hed">Those five blablating incompetents are selling the idea that prediction markets to determine the next venue for the 2016 Summer Olympics is a great idea and would be accurate</a>.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s what happened to the Paris 2012 event derivative, my boys:</p>
<p><img title="Paris 2012" src="http://www.midasoracle.org/wp-content/uploads/2007/01/paris-to-be-host-city-for-2012-olympics.gif" alt="Paris 2012" width="300" height="150" /></p>
<p>Chart courtesy of <a title="TradeSports" href="http://www.tradesports.com/">TradeSports</a>-<a title="InTrade" href="http://www.intrade.com/v2/">InTrade</a>.</p>
<p><a title="UKâ€™s super casino: Manchester rejoices; Blackpool is disapointed." href="http://www.midasoracle.org/2007/02/02/uks-super-casino-manchester-rejoices-blackpool-is-disapointed/">Here&#8217;s what I wrote</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>TAKEAWAY: Itâ€™s very difficult to figure out what will be the decision of a small, secretive committee â€”whether itâ€™s a group of aristocrats (International Olympic Committee) or a group of civil servants (U.K.â€™s Casino Advisory Panel).</p></blockquote>
<p>Paris had the best case, but the Olympics aristocrats chose London anyway.</p>
<p>Same picture for the UK&#8217;s Super Casino: <a style="font-weight: bold" title="UKâ€™s super casino: Manchester rejoices; Blackpool is disapointed." href="http://www.midasoracle.org/2007/02/02/uks-super-casino-manchester-rejoices-blackpool-is-disapointed/">Blackpool was the BetFair favorite (62.5%), but the committee picked up Manchester</a><span style="font-weight: bold">.</span></p>
<p>Please, Chicago Tribune&#8217;s Bill Barnhart, Iowa Electronic Markets&#8217; Thomas Rietz, University of Chicago Law School&#8217;s Cass Sunstein, Consensus Point&#8217;s David Perry, HedgeStreet&#8217;s Russell Andersson, <span style="font-weight: bold">tell the truth; don&#8217;t sell fantasy.</span></p>
<p>And if you are completely incompetent, then leave your seat to someone else.</p>
<p><strong><em>Next</em>: <a href="http://www.midasoracle.org/2009/09/29/olympics-chicago/">Will Chicago get the Olympics? Donâ€™t bet on it. Too risky.</a></strong></p>
<p><strong><em>Next</em>: <a href="http://www.midasoracle.org/2009/10/02/chicago-wont-have-the-olympics-in-2016/">Chicago won&#8217;t have the Olympics in 2016.</a></strong></p>
<p><em>Next</em>: <a href="http://www.midasoracle.org/2009/10/05/chicago-olympics-2016-summer-olympics/">Could we have divined that Chicago was a lemon?</a></p>
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