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		<title>The prediction markets chalk another one up, as Susan Boyle is sent packing.</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 31 May 2009 01:45:52 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Chris F. Masse</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[I have an ongoing disagreement with Prof Panos about how to report a set of expired prediction markets. He claims that one should report &#8220;the historic average of similar markets&#8221;. That&#8217;s important but not urgent. First thing is to report &#8230; <a href="http://www.midasoracle.org/2009/05/30/the-prediction-markets-chalk-another-one-up/">Continue reading <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have an ongoing disagreement with Prof Panos about <strong>how to report a set of expired prediction markets.</strong> He claims that <a href="http://twitter.com/ipeirotis/status/1960942969">one should report &#8220;the historic average of similar markets&#8221;</a>. That&#8217;s important but not urgent. First thing is to report whether one prediction market of interest has <strong><a href="http://twitter.com/ipeirotis/status/1960060381">failed or succeeded</a>.</strong> I have explained that <strong><a title="Why reporting on *one* expired prediction market is no funâ€¦ when using the scientific approach" href="http://www.midasoracle.org/2009/05/28/reporting-scientifically-on-the-expired-prediction-markets-is-no-fun/">that can&#8217;t be scientific</a></strong> (to Panos&#8217; despair) &#8212;it can only be <strong>binary</strong> (the marking of &#8220;stupidity&#8221;, in Panos&#8217; book).</p>
<p><a href="http://www.midasoracle.org/2009/02/18/professor-panos-ipeirotis-on-prediction-markets/">The <strong>probabilistic and statistical method</strong></a> won&#8217;t be used when one reports about the expiry of one prediction market. <strong>People want to know how that prediction market fared. You have to report it in a binary way (right/wrong, correct/false, failure/success). Then, in a second leg, you can report &#8220;the historic average of similar markets&#8221;.</strong></p>
<p><a href="http://www.hubdub.com/m42972/Who_will_win_Britains_Got_Talent"><img class="alignnone size-full wp-image-14259" title="susan-boyle" src="http://www.midasoracle.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/susan-boyle.jpg" alt="susan-boyle" width="634" height="492" /></a></p>
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		<title>Why reporting on *one* expired prediction market is no fun&#8230; when using the scientific approach</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 16:11:01 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Chris F. Masse</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Panos Ipeirotis hates it when I report an individual prediction market &#8220;failure&#8220;. (&#8220;Stupidity&#8221; is how he labelled it. ) I am a fan of Panos Ipeirotis&#8217;s scientific approach on prediction markets. It is all right. However, I (obviously) won&#8217;t use &#8230; <a href="http://www.midasoracle.org/2009/05/28/reporting-scientifically-on-the-expired-prediction-markets-is-no-fun/">Continue reading <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a title=" Prediction markets have failed at forecasting correctly an important event â€”*once again*." href="http://www.midasoracle.org/2009/05/26/intrade-sonia-sotomayor/">Panos Ipeirotis hates it</a> when I report <strong>an individual prediction market &#8220;<a title="Prediction markets failed miserably at forecasting accurately the American Idol winner." href="http://www.midasoracle.org/2009/05/22/prediction-markets-american-idol/">failure</a>&#8220;.</strong> (&#8220;<a href="http://www.midasoracle.org/2009/05/26/intrade-sonia-sotomayor/#comment-24122">Stupidity</a>&#8221; is how he labelled it. <img src='http://www.midasoracle.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':-D' class='wp-smiley' />  )</p>
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<li>I am a fan of <a title="Professor Panos Ipeirotis on Prediction Markets" href="http://www.midasoracle.org/2009/02/18/professor-panos-ipeirotis-on-prediction-markets/">Panos Ipeirotis&#8217;s scientific approach on prediction markets</a>. It is all right.</li>
<li>However, I (obviously) <strong>won&#8217;t</strong> use the statistical and probabilistic approach when reporting about the expiry of <strong>one</strong> (or two) prediction market(s) in particular.</li>
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<p>Let me explain why.</p>
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<li>Panos Ipeirotis is a professor whose job is to instruct young people about <strong>the scientific approach.</strong> Fine.</li>
<li>On Midas Oracle, I abide also by <strong>the marketing approach.</strong> That is, I try to understand how people view things. Sensing how people can understand or mis-understand prediction markets is what I try (hard) to do. Turn out when I talk about prediction markets to people, the first question they ask me is, &#8220;<strong>How did prediction markets fare with Barack Obama (or George W. Bush)?</strong>&#8220;.</li>
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<p>My observations:</p>
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<li>People don&#8217;t want to be fed with statistical series about  multiple historical prediction markets.</li>
<li>People want to know whether one prediction market <strong>did or did not</strong> forecast the outcome of an event &#8212;in terms of yes/no, right/wrong, correct/false.</li>
<li><strong>People treat a probabilistic prediction just like any binary prediction.</strong></li>
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<p>Now, let&#8217;s take a look at how <a href="http://freakonomics.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/03/12/freak-quently-asked-questions-nate-silver/">Nate Silver</a> did communicate with the public on <a href="http://gawker.com/5158728/apologetic-nate-silver-throws-statistics-under-the-oscars-bus">The Oscars 2009</a>:</p>
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<li>Nate Silver gave a set of <a title="Oscar Predictions You Can Bet On!" href="http://nymag.com/movies/features/54335/"><strong>probabilistic</strong> predictions</a>.</li>
<li>However, when he blogged his failure, he acknowledged it in the <strong>binary</strong> mode (yes/no, right/wrong, correct/false) &#8212;&#8221;<a title="Some Post-Oscar Thoughts on Forecasting" href="http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2009/02/some-post-oscars-thoughts-on.html">four hits and two misses</a>&#8220;.</li>
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<p>That&#8217;s how I do it, too. When one prediction market expires, I assess its past prediction as if it were binary (and not probabilistic) &#8212;in terms of success/failure. Which makes me an idiot in Panos Ipeirotis&#8217; book. <img src='http://www.midasoracle.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':-D' class='wp-smiley' />  &#8211; (I can take it.)</p>
<p>Now, my challenge to <a href="http://pages.stern.nyu.edu/~panos/">Panos Ipeirotis</a>, is this:</p>
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<li>Do blog the next expired prediction market (on any topic).</li>
<li>Do apply your scientific approach.</li>
<li>I bet that your blogging will be as boring as a fruit cake, because, by essence, you can&#8217;t say anything, scientifically, about <strong>one</strong> expired prediction market &#8212;or if you abide by the statistical and probabilistic approach, then you won&#8217;t really report on <strong>that</strong> expired prediction market.</li>
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<p>Don&#8217;t get me wrong. Midas Oracle should publish scientific assessments about multiple historical prediction markets. But to report about <strong>one</strong> expired prediction market, and to have a bit of <strong>fun</strong>, it is necessary to put (temporarily) science on the back burner.</p>
<p>As an addendum, <a href="http://www.midasoracle.org/2009/05/07/the-fox-and-the-hedgehog/">remember</a> that <a href="http://www.midasoracle.org/2009/04/28/simpler-input-mechanisms/">Emile Servan-Schreiber</a> told Robin Hanson that <strong>science is not all.</strong></p>
<p><em>NEXT</em>: <a href="http://www.midasoracle.org/2009/05/30/the-prediction-markets-chalk-another-one-up/">The prediction markets chalk another one up, as Susan Boyle is sent packing.</a></p>
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