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		<title>Is Robin Hanson a market fundamentalist?</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jun 2009 07:25:37 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Chris F. Masse</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Niall O&#8217;Connor: Robin Hanson, is what I would term a market fundamentalist &#8211; somebody who believes that markets are the primary mechanism for achieving the public good. Recent events have demonstrated that this creed is morally bankrupt. We are, in &#8230; <a href="http://www.midasoracle.org/2009/06/10/robin-hanson-market-fundamentalist/">Continue reading <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.midasoracle.org/2009/06/09/decision-markets-will-one-day-revolutionize-governance-both-public-and-private/#comment-24170">Niall O&#8217;Connor</a>:</p>
<p style="padding-left: 90px;">Robin Hanson, is what I would term a market fundamentalist &#8211; <strong>somebody who believes that markets are the primary mechanism for achieving the public good.</strong> Recent events have demonstrated that this creed is morally bankrupt. We are, in the words of Michael Sandel, â€œat the end of an era of market triumphalismâ€.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.midasoracle.org/2009/06/09/decision-markets-will-one-day-revolutionize-governance-both-public-and-private/#comment-24173">Robin Hanson</a>:</p>
<p style="padding-left: 90px;">I deny the accusation, though Iâ€™m not sure why I should have to. <strong>Having a high opinion of the eventual info power of decision markets [*] is very different from saying â€œmarkets are the primary mechanism for achieving the public good.â€</strong> Shouldnâ€™t you have to first provide support for your accusation, rather than me somehow having to first prove bald accusations wrong?</p>
<p><strong>[*]</strong> That&#8217;s at the core of the issue. Somebody who has a &#8220;<strong>high</strong> opinion&#8221; of something that has <strong>not given stellar results</strong> since 1988 is obviously exaggerating. I personally have a <strong>somewhat good opinion</strong> of prediction markets and conditional prediction markets, <strong>but not a &#8220;high opinion&#8221;</strong> &#8212;sense my nuance. Niall O&#8217;Connor has been too strong in his &#8220;accusation&#8221; ( <img src='http://www.midasoracle.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':-D' class='wp-smiley' />  ), but he is a bit in the right. [UPDATE: <a href="http://www.midasoracle.org/2009/06/09/decision-markets-will-one-day-revolutionize-governance-both-public-and-private/#comment-24175">Niall O'Connor has an honest reply to Robin Hanson</a>.]</p>
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		<title>Do Oil Futures Prices Help Predict Future Oil Prices?</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Oct 2008 06:29:27 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Chris F. Masse</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Do Oil Futures Prices Help Predict Future Oil Prices? Via Mike Linksvayer in a comment&#8230;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a title="Do Oil Futures Prices Help Predict Future Oil Prices?" href="http://www.frbsf.org/publications/economics/letter/2005/el2005-38.html">Do Oil Futures Prices Help Predict Future Oil Prices?</a></p>
<p>Via Mike Linksvayer in a comment&#8230;</p>
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		<title>With regard to the 2008 US elections, both Justin Wolfers and Robin Hanson implied that BetFair is not as predictive &#8220;as it should be&#8221;.</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Sep 2008 09:01:20 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Chris F. Masse</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[- Previously: About Justin Wolfers&#8217;s column Justin Wolfers&#8217; Freakonomics post (which suggests that BetFair would have a better predictive power if US traders could use it).]]></description>
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<p><em>Previously</em>: <a href="http://www.midasoracle.org/2008/09/18/justin-wolfers-intrade/">About Justin Wolfers&#8217;s column</a></p>
<p><strong><a title="Picking the Next President: What Are the Odds?" href="http://freakonomics.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/09/18/picking-the-next-president-what-are-the-odds/">Justin Wolfers&#8217; Freakonomics post</a> (which suggests that BetFair would have a better predictive power if US traders could use it).</strong><strong><a title="Picking the Next President: What Are the Odds?" href="http://freakonomics.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/09/18/picking-the-next-president-what-are-the-odds/"><br />
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		<title>What are the lessons for pundits, polls, prediction markets, and other prognosticators?</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2008 14:13:57 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Chris F. Masse</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[&#8230;asked Justin Wolfers. Well, obviously, the observers expect better accuracy from the prediction markets than from the polls or the pundits. And thus, their disappointment is big. James Surowiecki said, in the December 2006 Yahoo! conference, that that&#8217;s because the &#8230; <a href="http://www.midasoracle.org/2008/01/10/what-are-the-lessons-for-pundits-polls-prediction-markets-and-other-prognosticators/">Continue reading <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;<a href="http://freakonomics.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/01/09/what-a-night-interpreting-the-new-hampshire-primary/" title="What A Night! Interpreting the New Hampshire Primary">asked Justin Wolfers</a>.</p>
<p>Well, obviously, <strong>the observers expect better accuracy from the prediction markets than from the polls or the pundits.</strong> And thus, their disappointment is big. James Surowiecki said, in the December 2006 Yahoo! conference, that that&#8217;s because the prediction markets are <em>new</em>.</p>
<p>So the lesson is that&#8230; the industry should not send out there spokespeople who over-sell the predictive power of the prediction markets. They are sightly better than the polls, but they are not magical. <a href="http://www.midasoracle.org/2008/01/09/prediction-markets-are-forecasting-tools-of-convenience-that-feed-on-advanced-indicators/" title="Prediction markets are forecasting tools of convenience that feed on advanced indicators.">And they feed on polls, anyway</a>. The prediction market mantra should be <strong>based strictly on science.</strong></p>
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