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		<title>BetFair&#8217;s Mark Davies (the Prince of betting exchange PR) has just gotten a second omelet in the face.</title>
		<link>http://www.midasoracle.org/2010/03/26/betfair-pr-uk-political-prediction-markets/</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Mar 2010 19:10:17 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Chris F. Masse</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[First, the Financial Times &#8212;and, now, Freakonomics. The journalistic rule should be that, if you cite one prediction exchange, you should cite the one that is the most liquid on the market you are writing about. For UK politics, it &#8230; <a href="http://www.midasoracle.org/2010/03/26/betfair-pr-uk-political-prediction-markets/">Continue reading <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.midasoracle.org/2010/03/17/financial-times-intrade-betfair-2/">First, the Financial Times</a> &#8212;and, <a href="http://freakonomics.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/03/26/a-march-surprise/">now, <strong>Freakonomics</strong></a><strong>.</strong></p>
<p>The journalistic rule should be that, <strong>if you cite one prediction exchange, you should cite the one <span style="color: #ff0000;">that is the most liquid</span> on the market you are writing about. </strong>For UK politics, it is clearly BetFair.</p>
<p>BetFair has clearly a PR problem.</p>
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		<title>BRITISH CRETINERY: The Financial Times features the InTrade probabilities &#8212;not the BetFair ones.</title>
		<link>http://www.midasoracle.org/2010/03/17/financial-times-intrade-betfair-2/</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Mar 2010 21:16:02 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Chris F. Masse</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is really stupid. The decerebrated journalos at the FT chose to feature the illiquid, Ireland-based, un-regulated InTrade prediction markets instead of the very liquid, UK-based, regulated BetFair prediction markets on the next British congress. Makes no sense at all. &#8230; <a href="http://www.midasoracle.org/2010/03/17/financial-times-intrade-betfair-2/">Continue reading <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/078237c8-31f0-11df-a8d1-00144feabdc0.html">This is really stupid</a>. The decerebrated journalos at the FT chose to feature the <span style="color: #ff0000;"><strong>illiquid</strong></span>, Ireland-based, un-regulated InTrade prediction markets instead of <strong>the very liquid, UK-based, regulated <a href="http://betfair.com/">BetFair</a> prediction markets on the next British congress.</strong></p>
<p>Makes no sense at all.</p>
<p>The BetFair PR boys have an omelet on their face. They should work harder.</p>
<p>DISAMBIGUATION: The &#8220;illiquid&#8221; adjective refers to the <strong>UK</strong> political markets on InTrade &#8212;not the <strong>US</strong> political prediction markets.</p>
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		<title>What is the liquidity on InTrade&#8217;s financial prediction markets?</title>
		<link>http://www.midasoracle.org/2009/09/25/liquidity-intrade-financial-prediction-markets/</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Sep 2009 19:49:29 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Chris F. Masse</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[My dear honorable Carlos Graterol, I acknowledge you are a little InTrade fanboy, and that flies OK in my book. You say there are 3,000 daily transactions on the daily DJIA prediction markets. (It was much higher than that before &#8230; <a href="http://www.midasoracle.org/2009/09/25/liquidity-intrade-financial-prediction-markets/">Continue reading <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.daily-chuck.com/2009/09/chris-masse-always-finding-fault.html">My dear honorable Carlos Graterol</a>,</p>
<p>I acknowledge you are a little InTrade fanboy, and that flies OK in my book. <strong>You say there are 3,000 daily transactions on the daily DJIA prediction markets.</strong> (It was much higher than that before the CFTC fined InTrade.) While I reckon that this liquidity is enough to generate trustworthy predictions, it is <span style="color: #ff0000;"><strong>very small compared to</strong></span> the liquidity of the financial markets or BetFair&#8217;s liquidity. <strong>For your information, <a href="http://www.midasoracle.org/2007/08/23/does-betting-exchange-betfair-handle-more-daily-trades-than-the-new-york-stock-exchange/"><span style="color: #0000ff;">BetFair handles more transactions than the London Stock Exchange</span></a>.</strong> InTrade&#8217;s liquidity is small compared to BetFair&#8217;s, and is certainly too small to generate profitability. That&#8217;s what counts.</p>
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		<title>InTrade is exaggerating the usefulness of collective forecasting via prediction markets.</title>
		<link>http://www.midasoracle.org/2009/07/17/intrade-harry-potter/</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 07:48:45 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Chris F. Masse</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Look at the market liquidity &#8212;too insignificant to say anything: InTrade (like many other industry players and scholars) are exaggerating the usefulness of the prediction markets. When there is no liquidity, just keep your mouth shut. Wait until the market &#8230; <a href="http://www.midasoracle.org/2009/07/17/intrade-harry-potter/">Continue reading <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://twitter.com/intrade/status/2684798610"><img class="alignnone size-full wp-image-15343" title="intrade-harry-potter" src="http://www.midasoracle.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/intrade-harry-potter.jpg" alt="intrade-harry-potter" width="607" height="462" /></a></p>
<p><strong>Look at the market liquidity &#8212;too insignificant to say anything:</strong></p>
<p><a href="https://www.intrade.com/index.jsp?request_operation=trade&amp;request_type=action&amp;selConID=685107"><img class="alignnone size-full wp-image-15344" title="intrade-harry-potter-liquidity" src="http://www.midasoracle.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/intrade-harry-potter-liquidity.jpg" alt="intrade-harry-potter-liquidity" width="503" height="330" /></a></p>
<p>InTrade (like many other industry players and scholars) are <strong>exaggerating</strong> the usefulness of the prediction markets. When there is <strong>no liquidity</strong>, just keep your mouth shut. Wait until the market liquidity becomes more serious.</p>
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		<title>BetFair traders are getting ready for the BOOM.</title>
		<link>http://www.midasoracle.org/2008/07/23/betfair-bet-matching-3/</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 10:11:24 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Chris F. Masse</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[BetFair: [...] weâ€™ll be enabling the new matching process on soccer match odds markets, tennis match odds markets and greyhound win markets taking place on the UK exchange shortly. - Previously: BetFair&#8217;s new bet-matching logic&#8230;. (endorsed by Giberson International Incorporated). &#8230; <a href="http://www.midasoracle.org/2008/07/23/betfair-bet-matching-3/">Continue reading <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://site.forum.betfair.com/jive3/betex/ThreadsFrameset.jsp?forumID=9&amp;forumName=Service&amp;threadID=1541460&amp;tName=bet+matching+logic+-+update&amp;schatname=&amp;iMessageCount=8">BetFair</a>:</p>
<p style="padding-left: 150px;">[...] weâ€™<strong>ll </strong>be enabling the new matching process on <strong>soccer</strong> match odds markets, <strong>tennis</strong> match odds markets and <strong>greyhound</strong> win markets taking place on the UK exchange <strong>shortly.</strong></p>
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<p><em>Previously</em>: <a title="IMPROVEMENT MEANS BETTER LIQUIDITY FOR THEIR EVENT DERIVATIVE TRADERS." href="http://www.midasoracle.org/2008/07/14/betfair-bet-matching-logic-7/">BetFair&#8217;s new bet-matching logic</a>&#8230;. (<a title="How BetFair stole Bastille Day from the French â€”and how Ed Murray became BetFairâ€™s best friend (NOT A HOAX)." href="http://www.midasoracle.org/2008/07/15/betfair-bet-matching-logic-giberson/">endorsed by Giberson International Incorporated</a>).</p>
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		<title>How BetFair stole Bastille Day from the French &#8212;and how Ed Murray became BetFair&#8217;s best friend (NOT A HOAX).</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 10:32:23 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Chris F. Masse</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[- Michael Giberson (professor of economics and chairman of our scientific advisory board): Actually, I would expect the change to improve liquidity, but the real surprise for Ed Murray is that other than his liquidity argument, I pretty much agree &#8230; <a href="http://www.midasoracle.org/2008/07/15/betfair-bet-matching-logic-giberson/">Continue reading <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a>]]></description>
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<p><a title="Is the BetFairâ€™s brand-new bet-matching logic (which matches bets across related selections) the first time a prediction exchange manages to increase liquidity WITHOUT augmenting the number of traders or relying on an automated market maker?," href="http://www.midasoracle.org/2008/07/14/betfair-new-bet-matching-logic/#comment-20542">Michael Giberson</a> (<a title="His personal website" href="http://www.gibersonco.com/">professor of economics</a> and chairman of our <a href="http://www.midasoracle.org/about/mission/">scientific advisory board</a>):</p>
<p style="padding-left: 150px;">Actually, I would expect the change to <strong>improve liquidity</strong>, but the real surprise for Ed Murray is that other than his liquidity argument, I pretty much agree with him this time.</p>
<p style="padding-left: 150px;">It is a better scheme than before, as the exchange will match tradersâ€™ bets more efficiently and offer price improvement when available.</p>
<p style="padding-left: 150px;">As Betfair observes (and Murray notes) <strong>the downside is for traders who make a bet in error, and now find the more efficient market has matched the bet before it could be withdrawn. </strong>If this is a frequent problem for a trader, perhaps they need to exercise a little more care at the keyboard. But as the Befair announcement indicates â€” and this time Ed Murray is repeating the Betfair company line! â€” at least <strong>there is the possibility that the trader will be matched at a better price than he would have otherwise.</strong></p>
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		<title>In a blow to the French, BetFair choose Bastille Day to premiere the revised version of the bet-matching logic of their prediction markets. &#8212; IMPROVEMENT MEANS BETTER LIQUIDITY FOR THEIR EVENT DERIVATIVE TRADERS.</title>
		<link>http://www.midasoracle.org/2008/07/14/betfair-bet-matching-logic-7/</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 09:05:48 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Chris F. Masse</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[- BetFair: Improvements to Betfairâ€™s bet matching logic today, Monday 14th July: Whatâ€™s changing? Weâ€™ve improved the code that matches bets. As well as matching backs against lays as weâ€™ve always done, weâ€™ll also try to match your bet against &#8230; <a href="http://www.midasoracle.org/2008/07/14/betfair-bet-matching-logic-7/">Continue reading <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a>]]></description>
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<p><a href="http://bdp.betfair.com/index.php?option=com_content&amp;task=view&amp;id=123&amp;Itemid=62">Bet</a><a href="http://site.forum.betfair.com/jive3/betex/ThreadsFrameset.jsp?forumID=9&amp;forumName=Service&amp;threadID=1541460&amp;tName=bet+matching+logic+-+update&amp;schatname=&amp;iMessageCount=4">Fair</a>:</p>
<p style="padding-left: 150px;"><strong>Improvements to Betfairâ€™s bet matching logic today, Monday 14th July:</strong></p>
<p style="padding-left: 150px;"><strong>Whatâ€™s changing?</strong><br />
Weâ€™ve improved the code that matches bets. As well as matching backs against lays as weâ€™ve always done, <strong>weâ€™ll also try to match your bet against bets on other selections in the market.</strong> Weâ€˜ll give you an improvement over the price youâ€˜ve requested where possible, and weâ€˜ll match you against whichever bets get you the best price.</p>
<p style="padding-left: 150px;"><strong>For example in a tennis market:</strong></p>
<p style="padding-left: 150px;">Roger Federer is 1.9 to back, 2.1 to lay.<br />
Rafael Nadal is 1.8 to back, 2.0 to lay.</p>
<p style="padding-left: 150px;">If you try to back Federer at 1.9 or less, previously we would have matched your bet against the customer looking to lay Federer at 1.9. Both bets would have been matched at 1.9, even if youâ€˜d asked for a shorter price. In theory we could do even better than that though: we could match you against the customer trying to back Nadal at 2.0 (backing one player at 2.0 is of course the same as laying the other player at 2.0). <strong>Our new bet matching process will see which match gets you the better price.</strong> In this case we would get you 2.0 by matching you against the Nadal backer (who is offering a better price than the layer of Federer).</p>
<p style="padding-left: 150px;"><strong>When placing a new bet you will only ever be matched by the new process if doing so gives you a better price than you would otherwise have got.</strong> We will match your bet at the best price possible thatâ€™s a valid increment on Betfairâ€™s odds ladder, as we explained in our update of 6th June.</p>
<p style="padding-left: 150px;"><strong>Does this only work for 2-runner markets like tennis?</strong><br />
No. The new matching logic works for any number of runners in a market. An example with a 2-runner market is probably easiest to understand, but the principle is the same for markets with 3 runners or more. For example if a football market looked like this:</p>
<p style="padding-left: 150px;">Spain 2.3 to back, 2.5 to lay<br />
Germany 3.9 to back, 4.0 to lay<br />
The Draw 2.9 to back, 3.0 to lay</p>
<p style="padding-left: 150px;">Then if you want to back Spain we could match you with customers looking to back Germany and the Draw at 4.0 and 3.0 respectively, which would result in you being matched at 2.4, a better price than you would have got had we matched you against Spain layers (who are only offering 2.3).</p>
<p style="padding-left: 150px;"><strong>Which markets will this affect?</strong><br />
Weâ€™ll introduce the new code on Monday 14th July, but initially matching will be done exactly as before. As explained earlier in the year, <strong>introducing best execution across selections wasnâ€™t possible without significant change to the existing code that matches backs and lays</strong>, so we will need verify that performance is as expected for the existing matching process before enabling the new functionality. All being well weâ€™ll enable the new code for a small number of markets to ensure that everything is as it should be later on Monday. Weâ€™ll announce which markets on Monday. Again if all is well weâ€™ll roll out to a wider range of markets on Tuesday.</p>
<p style="padding-left: 150px;"><strong>Weâ€™d expect to match across selections on the same range of markets as we currently do:</strong></p>
<p style="padding-left: 150px;">Match Odds in Basketball, Boxing, Cricket, Ice Hockey, Rugby League, Rugby Union, Snooker, Tennis and Volleyball, Greyhounds win markets, Darts match odds, correct score and handicaps and Soccer match odds, HT/FT, correct score and unders/overs.</p>
<p style="padding-left: 150px;"><strong>Horse racing will not be covered for now, due to the possibility of non-runners,</strong> and the new process isnâ€™t applicable to markets where runners can be added (for example â€œNext managerâ€ markets), where runners listed might not take part (e.g. First Goalscorer) or where the runners in a particular â€œmarketâ€ are treated independently (e.g. Accumulators).</p>
<p style="padding-left: 150px;"><strong>What about bets placed in error?</strong><br />
Weâ€™re aware of a concern that this change might make it more likely that customers would match bets placed in error, for example asking for 1.2 when you really wanted to back at 2.2. One consequence of the change weâ€™re making is that any bet you place is more likely to get matched &#8211; making it easier to get a match is the whole idea. Being realistic though, if you had placed a bet in error like that in the past, in the vast majority of cases you would have been matched (against lays on that selection). Thereâ€™ll now be far, far more circumstances where you would have been matched anyway , but instead youâ€™ll now get a better price, than situations where your bet would have been unmatched and you might have had the chance to cancel. <strong>On average we would expect customers who place bets in error to be better off as a result.</strong></p>
<p style="padding-left: 150px;">On a related point, weâ€™d also expect this change to make it more difficult for people who place <strong>â€œtrap betsâ€</strong> to get matched (a trap bet is an offer that is only likely to be matched if another customer places a bet in error). While putting up â€œtrap betsâ€ is against Betfairâ€™s terms and conditions and we close the accounts of persistent offenders, on an exchange where any customer can ask for any price <strong>itâ€™s difficult to eradicate this practice.</strong> In most instances where a trap bet is the best price available on a selection, <strong>customers will in future be matched at better prices against bets on other selections</strong> rather than matching the trap bet.</p>
<p style="padding-left: 150px;"><strong>How will the change affect liquidity?</strong><br />
We would expect the change to be beneficial to liquidity. Obviously if we have opposing customer bets in the system that could be matched, whether on the same selection or across different selections, <strong>the best thing for liquidity is to match them.</strong></p>
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<p style="padding-left: 150px;"><strong>Further to the above, weâ€™ll be enabling the improved matching on the following markets later today.</strong></p>
<p style="padding-left: 150px;">Football:</p>
<p style="padding-left: 150px;">Czech Republic U19 vs. England U19<br />
FC Inter vs. MyPa</p>
<p style="padding-left: 150px;">Tennis:<br />
Andujar vs. Hanescu<br />
Minar vs. Rochus</p>
<p style="padding-left: 150px;">Greyhounds:<br />
11:28 Sheffield<br />
11:48 Oxford</p>
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		<title>Robin Hanson&#8217;s purity test is based on an absurd principle.</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jul 2008 10:05:49 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Chris F. Masse</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#8217;s not the motivation that is important to assess &#8212;it&#8217;s the liquidity that counts. The more trades, the better. Liquidity leads to statistically accurate probabilities predictions. Liquidity, liquidity, liquidity, doc. - Robin Hanson: One proposed distinguishing criteria includes the size &#8230; <a href="http://www.midasoracle.org/2008/07/08/robin-hansons-purity-test/">Continue reading <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a title="What I think of Robin Hansonâ€™s comment to the CFTCâ€¦ and what I think about his slam at TradeSports-InTrade, BetFair-TradeFair, and HedgeStreet." href="http://www.midasoracle.org/2008/07/07/robin-hanson-cftc/">It&#8217;s <strong>not</strong> the motivation that is important to assess &#8212;it&#8217;s <strong>the liquidity</strong> that counts</a>. The more trades, the better. <strong>Liquidity</strong> leads to statistically accurate probabilities predictions. Liquidity, liquidity, liquidity, <strong><a title="CFTC Event Market Comment" href="http://www.overcomingbias.com/2008/07/my-cftc-event-c.html">doc</a>.</strong></p>
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<p><strong><a title="Comment on " href="http://hanson.gmu.edu/CFTC-comment-7-08.htm">Robin Hanson</a>:</strong></p>
<p style="padding-left: 150px;">One proposed distinguishing criteria includes the size of an individual trader&#8217;s stake, and the number of traders. The Iowa Electronic Markets are limited on both of these parameters. Such limits do succeed in <strong>preventing large hedging markets from masquerading as info-motivated event markets.</strong> But they do little to <strong>prevent generic gambling markets from masquerading as info-motivated event markets.</strong></p>
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<p>Total absurdity.</p>
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<p>UPDATE: Robin Hanson comments&#8230;</p>
<p style="padding-left: 150px;">Again, important for what purpose? The CFTC was clear that they are concerned about how to keep generic gambling from slipping in via whatever they might approve. I was addressing that concern. I donâ€™t see how you can read anything I said as arguing against liquidity.</p>
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		<title>Ubber finance blogger Barry Ritholtz believes in magic. He believes that, with more volumes on the event derivative markets, comes the Omniscience &#8212;capital &#8220;O&#8221;.</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 21:18:04 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Chris F. Masse</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[- Our good friend Barry Ritholtz.has persuaded himself that our real-money prediction markets suffer from an irremediable and fatal problem: liquidity on political event derivative markets is too thin for smart Wall Street people like him to take their market-generated &#8230; <a href="http://www.midasoracle.org/2008/05/20/ubber-finance-blogger-barry-ritholtz-believes-in-magic-he-believes-that-with-more-volumes-on-the-event-derivative-markets-comes-the-omniscience-capital-o/">Continue reading <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a>]]></description>
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<p><a title="Barry Ritholtz blames the New Hampshire fiasco on two Red Herrings." href="http://bigpicture.typepad.com/comments/2008/01/prediction-mark.html">Our good friend <strong>Barry Ritholtz</strong></a>.has persuaded himself that our real-money prediction markets suffer from an irremediable and fatal problem: <strong>liquidity on political event derivative markets is too thin for smart <a title="Felix Salmon" href="http://www.portfolio.com/views/blogs/market-movers">Wall Street people</a> like him to take their market-generated probabilities seriously.</strong> Barry Ritholtz is keen to tout <a href="http://www.midasoracle.org/2008/05/20/prediction-markets-wired/#comment-18765"><strong>oranges&#8211;apples comparisons:</strong> the NYSE volume versus the Obama&#8211;Clinton volume at InTrade</a>. It&#8217;s a bullshit argument, but he managed to persuade <a title="Wired" href="http://www.wired.com/techbiz/it/magazine/16-06/st_essay#">some gullible journalists writing for some clueless mainstream media</a> that thin liquidity was responsible for the New Hampshire <a title="Professor Koleman Strumpf tells CNN that a prediction market, by essence, canâ€™t predict an upset." href="http://www.midasoracle.org/2008/04/22/professor-koleman-strumpf-tells-cnn-that-a-prediction-market-by-essence-cant-predict-an-upset/">upset</a> &#8212;and else.</p>
<p>Barry, if you had 1,000,000,000 trades on the New Hampshire prediction market, you&#8217;d still have an inaccurate prediction. <strong>The polls were wrong, and there&#8217;s <em>nothing</em> &#8230; NOTHING&#8230; that the InTrade and BetFair traders could have done to get this election right. </strong>Get over it, Barry. Traders are not <a title="Omniscience" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omniscience">magicians</a>. <img src='http://www.midasoracle.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':-D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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<p>[For <em>why</em> the polls were wrong, see: <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/10/us/politics/10media.html?ex=1357621200&amp;en=cbee130d16a377ba&amp;ei=5088"><em>The New York Times</em></a>, <a href="http://www.zogby.com/news/ReadNews.dbm?ID=1419">Zogby</a>, <a href="http://rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/new_hampshire/what_happened_to_polls_in_new_hampshire">Rasmussen</a>, <a href="http://blogs.usatoday.com/gallup/2008/01/theres-no-way-a.html">Gallup</a>...]</p>
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		<title>Harvard fella says prediction markets are doomed.</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 22:02:12 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Chris F. Masse</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[He bases his brilliant reasoning on &#8220;rumors&#8221; and total ignorance of the participation inequality law. Another academic fella who would be better off researching his topic before blogging on something he does not master. -]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://discussionleader.hbsp.com/davenport/2008/04/prediction_markets_is_anybody.html">He bases his brilliant reasoning on <strong>&#8220;rumors&#8221;</strong> and total <strong>ignorance</strong> of the participation inequality law</a>.</p>
<p>Another academic fella who would be better off <a title="Participation Inequality: Encouraging More Users to Contribute" href="http://www.useit.com/alertbox/participation_inequality.html">researching</a> his topic before blogging on something he does not master.</p>
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