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		<title>Socially valuable betting (based on accountable predictions) has long been legal in America, professor Hanson. &#8212; [AWARENESS]</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jul 2011 08:33:56 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Chris F. Masse</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Robin Hanson: A track record tech must be combined with a social equilibrium that punishes those with poor records, and thus encourages rivals and victims to collect and report records. The lesson I take for forecast accuracy is that it &#8230; <a href="http://www.midasoracle.org/2011/07/15/socially-valuable-betting-long-bets/">Continue reading <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a>]]></description>
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<p><a href="http://www.cato-unbound.org/2011/07/13/robin-hanson/who-cares-about-forecast-accuracy/">Robin Hanson</a>:</p>
<p style="padding-left: 120px;">A track record tech must be combined with a social equilibrium that punishes those with poor records, and thus encourages rivals and victims to collect and report records. The lesson I take for forecast accuracy is that it isn’t enough to devise ways to record forecast accuracy—we also need a new matching social respect for such records.</p>
<p style="padding-left: 120px;">Might governments encourage a switch to more respect for forecast accuracy? Yes: by not explicitly discouraging it! Today, the simplest way to create forecast track records that get attention and respect is by making bets. In a bet, the parties work to define the disputed issue clearly enough to resolve later, and the bet payoff creates a clear record of who was right and wrong. Anti-gambling laws now discourage such bets—shouldn’t we at least eliminate this impediment to more respect for forecast accuracy records?</p>
<p style="padding-left: 120px;"><strong>And once bets are legal we should go further, to revive our ancestors’ culture of respect for bets.</strong> It should be shameful to visibly disagree and yet evade a challenge to more clearly define the disagreement and bet a respectable amount on it.</p>
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<p>Somebody should tell Robin Hanson about <strong><a href="http://longbets.org/">Long Bets</a>, an awesome betting program (with a non-profit twist)</strong> from the Long Now Foundation.</p>
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		<title>â€œOver a ten-year period commencing on January 1, 2008, and ending on December 31, 2017, the S &amp; P 500 will outperform a portfolio of funds of hedge funds, when performance is measured on a basis net of fees, costs and expenses.â€</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jul 2008 19:24:38 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Chris F. Masse</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[THE ONE MILLION DOLLAR BET. &#8212; &#8220;Both parties of this bet have agreed upon an adjudication methodology that has been approved by Long Bets. They have asked that it be kept confidential.&#8221; -]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong><a title="Over a ten-year period commencing on January 1, 2008, and ending on December 31, 2017, the S &amp; P 500 will outperform a portfolio of funds of hedge funds, when performance is measured on a basis net of fees, costs and expenses." href="http://www.longbets.org/362">THE ONE MILLION DOLLAR BET</a>.</strong> &#8212; &#8220;Both parties of this bet have agreed upon an adjudication methodology that has been approved by Long Bets. They have asked that it be kept confidential.&#8221; <img src='http://www.midasoracle.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>In a Google search of five keywords or phrases representing the top five news stories of 2007, weblogs will rank higher than the New York Times&#8217; Web site.</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Feb 2008 18:18:58 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Chris F. Masse</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[The blogs won the bet. In a Google search of five keywords or phrases representing the top five news stories of 2007, weblogs will rank higher than the New York Times&#8217; Web site. The bet has been expired on the &#8230; <a href="http://www.midasoracle.org/2008/02/05/long-bets-2-nyt-blogs/">Continue reading <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>The blogs <a href="http://blog.longnow.org/2008/02/01/decision-blogs-vs-new-york-times/" title="Decision: Blogs vs. New York Times">won</a> the <a href="http://www.longbets.org/2" title="In a Google search of five keywords or phrases representing the top five news stories of 2007, weblogs will rank higher than the New York Times' Web site.">bet</a>.</strong></p>
<blockquote><p>In a Google search of five keywords or phrases representing the top five news stories of 2007, weblogs will rank higher than the New York Times&#8217; Web site.</p></blockquote>
<p>The bet has been expired on the &#8220;<strong>YES</strong>&#8221; side. Dave Winer (representing the bloggers) won &#8212;and Martin Nisenholtz (representing the <em>New York Times</em> &#8212;at the time, in 2002) lost.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.longbets.org/2"><img src="http://www.midasoracle.org/wp-content/uploads/2008/02/longbet2.jpg" alt="Long Bet 2" /></a></p>
<blockquote><p>We decided that a weblog had to be something that would have been recognized as a blog in [2002]. This <strong>includes ad supported blogs and commercial blogs like those of the NY Times.</strong> While the bettors argument in this case discusses why non-commercial content will beat out commercial content, <strong><em>Winer never provides a definition of a weblog</em>.</strong> As it turns out, including major news source blogs like those of the NY Times or sources like Wikipedia do not affect the ultimate outcome in the case of this bet, but they certainly could have.</p></blockquote>
<p>Hummm&#8230; How come Long Bets could have let people register a not-so-well-defined bet? Long Bets does not seem to be a serious organization to me.</p>
<p>As for what it all means: The blogging software packages are better content management systems than the other, older CMS packages. The blogging software and their specific usage (free access, content parcelisation, dates and keywords inserted in the URLs, peer linking, open comments, etc.) fit better in the Google super system.</p>
<p>Psstt&#8230; <strong>One idea for the prediction exchanges like NewsFutures or InTrade would be to open prediction markets on Long Bets topics just weeks before the expiration dates.</strong> The event derivative contracts would say that the expiry judge is Long Bets. Emile Servan-Schreiber and Michael Giberson, any thought? <img src='http://www.midasoracle.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':-D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p><em>External Link</em>: <a href="http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/12/31/what-is-the-definition-of-a-blog/?dem_action=view&amp;dem_poll_id=5'%20onclick='return%20dem_getVotes(">TechCrunch on what is a blog.</a></p>
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		<title>Separating cheap talk from truly held beliefs</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Nov 2007 03:47:38 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Michael Giberson</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[&#8212; In his book, Plight of the Fortune Tellers, Riccardo Rebonato describes how an invitation to bet can be used to separate cheap talk from truly held beliefs (and, in the process, ruin an otherwise engaging dinner conversation). In the &#8230; <a href="http://www.midasoracle.org/2007/11/26/separating-cheap-talk-from-truly-held-beliefs/">Continue reading <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://press.princeton.edu/titles/8474.html" title="Plight of the Fortune Tellers: Why We Need to Manage Financial Risk Differently"><img src="http://www.midasoracle.org/wp-content/uploads/2007/11/plight-of-the-fortune-tellers.gif" alt="Plight of the Fortune Tellers: Why We Need to Manage Financial Risk Differently" /></a></p>
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<p>In his book, <a href="http://press.princeton.edu/titles/8474.html" title="The title at Princeton University Press"><em>Plight of the Fortune Tellers</em></a>, Riccardo Rebonato describes <strong>how an invitation to bet can be used to separate cheap talk from truly held beliefs</strong> (and, in the process, ruin an otherwise engaging dinner conversation).</p>
<blockquote><p>In the early to mid 1990s in the United Kingdom and in other European countries a widespread fear developed that a variant form of <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creutzfeldt-Jakob_disease" title="Wikipedia on CJD">CJD</a> might spread to humans. CJD is a fatal illnessâ€”also know as â€œmad cow diseaseâ€â€”that is well-known to affect bovines. The variant form was thought to have contaminated human beings via the ingestion of beef from cattle affected by the disease. â€¦ When the first human cases appeared scientists did not know whether they were observing the tip of an iceberg or whether the relatively few observed cases, tragic as they were, constituted a rather limited and circumscribed occurrence. â€œExpert scientistsâ€ were soon willing to go on record with statements to the effect that â€œit could not be excludedâ€ that a catastrophe was unfolding. The nonscientific press was all too eager to jump on the bandwagon, and extravagant claims were soon presented, such as that hundreds of thousands, or perhaps even millions, of lives could be lost over the next decade. Specific probabilities were not stated, but the prominence of the reporting only made sense if the possibility of this catastrophic event was nonnegligible: the newspapers, at least judging by the inches of column space devoted to the topic, were not talking about a risk as remote as being hit by a meteorite.</p>
<p>As the months went by â€¦ the number of cases did not significantly increaseâ€¦. Looking at the data available at the time with a statistical eye, I was becoming increasingly convinced that the magnitude of the potential effect was being greatly exaggerated. At just the same time, a well-educated, but nonscientist, friend of mine (a university lecturer) was visiting London and we decided to meet for dinner. As the conversation moved from one topic to another, he expressed a strong belief, formed by reading the nonscientific press, that the spread of CJD would be a major catastrophe for the U.K. population in the next five to ten years. He was convinced, he claimed, that â€œhundreds of thousands of peopleâ€ would succumb to the disease. â€¦ <strong>I challenged him to enter a bet, to be settled in ten yearsâ€™ time, that the number of occurrences would not be consistent with a major epidemic.</strong> My friend refused to take me up on my offer, despite my very attractive odds (attractive, that is, given his stated subjective probabilities). He claimed that â€œone does not bet on these thingsâ€; that he found my proposal distasteful; that, anyhow, he was not a betting man; and so on. <strong>I explained that I was not trying to gain material advantage from a possible human disaster, but I was simply probing the strength of his convictions on the matter. Ultimately, the bet was not entered, and the evening was rather spoiled by my proposal.</strong></p></blockquote>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ehrlich-Simon_bet" title="The Wikipedia version of events">Julian Simonâ€™s bet with Paul Erhlich</a> is perhaps the most famous example of the use of a bet to test the strength of convictions. Robin Hanson has done a substantial amount of <a href="http://hanson.gmu.edu/ideafutures.html" title="AKA Prediction Markets, Information Markets">work on the foundations of such &#8220;Idea Futures&#8221; mechanisms</a>. A similar concept underlies <a href="http://www.longbets.org/">Long Bets</a> and the <a href="http://www.simonmarket.org/" title="Tom Bell is behind this project.">Simon Exchange</a>.</p>
<p>At Long Bets they say, â€œ<a href="http://www.longbets.org/faq" title="See the first sentence in response to the first question on the FAQ page.">Long Bets is about taking personal responsibility for ideas and opinions.</a>â€ That is the basic idea I had in mine when I suggested that â€œ<a href="http://www.midasoracle.org/2007/11/26/pat-buchanan-laments-the-end-of-wasp-america/#comment-16505">it would be a real public service</a> to run well-conceived prediction markets based on the grandiose political pronouncements of the â€˜chattering classesâ€™.â€  <strong>It is all about an author taking personal responsibility for the opinions he publishes by, in effect via the prediction market, offering to fund countering opinions on well-defined claims if and only if those countering opinions turn out to be true.</strong></p>
<p>(See also <a href="http://www.midasoracle.org/2007/11/26/could-pat-buchanans-socio-economic-ramblings-lead-to-the-creation-of-socially-interesting-long-term-prediction-markets/">Chris Masseâ€™s post</a>.  Iâ€™m not claiming any originality on my part here, Iâ€™m just trying to nudge the idea closer to common practice by suggesting a potentially interesting and fruitful area of application.)</p>
<p><strong>Naomi Klein? Ann Coulter? Pat Buchanan? Michael Moore? Maybe they believe what they write, and would be willing to subsidize a prediction market out of their book royalties to demonstrate the strength of their convictions.</strong> Or how about the books from the current crop of U.S. presidential candidatesâ€”I wonder if these books contain any claims that are specific and substantive enough to be either true or false.</p>
<p>If such punditry-based prediction markets were common, mistaken-but-honest demagogues (those pundits who actually believe what they write, and are willing to stand behind it) would end up subsidizing more thoughtful analysts participating in the markets; <em>correct</em> honest demagogues would end up taking home larger financial rewards; and dishonest demagogues would dissemble, seek to avoid being pinned down on specific claims, and when pressed for actionable claims they would run and hide.</p>
<p>[<a href="http://www.knowledgeproblem.com/archives/002303.html">Cross posted at Knowledge Problem</a>.]</p>
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