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		<title>Koleman Strumpf assesses the election forecast.</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 22:25:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>InTrade&#8217;s Historical Prediction Markets</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Oct 2008 20:05:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[InTrade&#8217;s historical data are for sell. &#8211; $$$ However, if you can help John Delaney over-sell his prediction markets as the new magical tool that will help &#8220;avoiding&#8221; the future financial crisis, you will get these historical data for free.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>InTrade&#8217;s historical data are for sell. &#8211; <strong><a href="http://www.intrade.com/jsp/intrade/data/">$$$</a></strong></p>
<p>However, if you can help John Delaney over-sell his prediction markets as the new magical tool that will help &#8220;<a href="http://www.intrade.com/news/news_297.html">avoiding</a>&#8221; the future financial crisis, you will get these historical data <strong>for free.</strong></p>
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		<title>Historical Political Prediction Markets</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Oct 2008 15:15:58 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Chris F. Masse</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Historical Political Futures Markets: An International Perspective &#8211; (ungated, earlier version: PDF file) &#8211; by Paul W. Rhode and Koleman Strumpf &#8211; 2008-10-xx]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.nber.org/papers/w14377">Historical Political Futures Markets: An International Perspective</a> &#8211; (ungated, earlier version: <a href="http://www.unc.edu/%7Ecigar/papers/PoP_submit4.pdf">PDF file</a>) &#8211; by Paul W. Rhode and Koleman Strumpf &#8211; 2008-10-xx</p>
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		<title>Historical Prediction Markets</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Sep 2008 13:43:07 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Chris F. Masse</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[The ProQuest P.R. machine sends Koleman Strumpf&#8217;s research paper on the historical prediction markets to all journalists, so as to generate good Press for ProQuest, and it works fine, as intended. [CORRECTION: Jack Shafer found the Strumpf paper on his &#8230; <a href="http://www.midasoracle.org/2008/09/27/proquest-historical-prediction-markets/">Continue reading <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The ProQuest P.R. machine sends <span style="text-decoration: line-through;">Koleman Strumpf&#8217;s research paper</span> on the historical prediction markets to all journalists, so as to generate good Press for ProQuest, and it works fine, as intended.</p>
<p>[<strong>CORRECTION:</strong> Jack Shafer found the Strumpf paper on his own. The ProQuest publicist sent him "a batch of clips on the topic culled by the company." Then, Jack Shafer googled for more.]</p>
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<p><a title="When Wall Street Bet on Elections" href="http://www.slate.com/id/2200931/">Jack Shafer</a>:</p>
<p style="padding-left: 150px;">[...] Rhode and Strumpf attribute the demise of election betting to a number of causes. <strong>The law generally looked down on such wagers,</strong> and it grew tougher over time. <strong>Newspapers started giving less coverage to the wagers as they discovered &#8220;ethics.&#8221;</strong> The legalization of <strong>pari-mutuel betting on horse races in New York in 1939</strong> provided a much better product for gamblers. And <strong>stock exchanges started barring members from gambling on elections.</strong></p>
<p style="padding-left: 150px;">The final nail, Rhode and Strumpf write, was <strong>the advent of the scientific poll</strong>, especially Gallup&#8217;s successful call of the 1936 election, which supplied newspapers with a &#8220;ready substitute for the betting odds, one not subject to the moral objections against gambling.&#8221;</p>
<p style="padding-left: 150px;">As <strong>our culture&#8217;s moral objections against gambling approach zero [*]</strong>, what excuse do daily newspapers have for ignoring the trove of political intelligence contained in its prices posted by Intrade, Iowa, and others? As indicators of future results, how much worse can they be than Zogby? They&#8217;d sure make better reading.</p>
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<p><strong>[*]</strong> Bizarre comment. There are moral objections to gambling all over the Christian Right. [Jack Shafer is a hard-core libertarian, FYI.]</p>
<p><strong><a href="http://www.unc.edu/~cigar/papers/BettingPaper_10Nov2003_long2.pdf">PDF file of Strumpf&#8217;s paper</a></strong></p>
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		<title>Why did prediction markets do well in the pre-polling era, professor Strumpf?</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 09:08:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Professor Koleman Strumpf tells CNN that a prediction market, by essence, can&#8217;t predict an upset.</title>
		<link>http://www.midasoracle.org/2008/04/22/professor-koleman-strumpf-tells-cnn-that-a-prediction-market-by-essence-cant-predict-an-upset/</link>
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		<description><![CDATA[CNN: FOREMAN: I&#8217;ve got something I want you to take a look at. Look at this. It could be the price of a stock or a mutual fund. It isn&#8217;t. It&#8217;s the odds that a particular candidate, the red here &#8230; <a href="http://www.midasoracle.org/2008/04/22/professor-koleman-strumpf-tells-cnn-that-a-prediction-market-by-essence-cant-predict-an-upset/">Continue reading <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0802/16/se.01.html">CNN</a>:</p>
<p style="padding-left: 150px;">FOREMAN: I&#8217;ve got something I want you to take a look at. Look at this. It could be the price of a stock or a mutual fund. It isn&#8217;t. It&#8217;s the odds that a particular candidate, the red here is Hillary Clinton, who will become president of the United States. <strong>It&#8217;s called the predictive market.</strong> And while supporters say it&#8217;s no different than any other type of investment, for example, hog bellies or pork futures, or crude oil, it sure looks like gambling.</p>
<p style="padding-left: 150px;"><a href="http://people.ku.edu/%7Ecigar/"><strong>Economics Professor Koleman Strumpf is on the faculty at the University of Kansas School of Business</strong></a> to talk about it now. And in Las Vegas, another scholar in the art of predicting future events, Johnny Avello, the director of the Sports Book at Wynn, Las Vegas.</p>
<p style="padding-left: 150px;">Let me start with you, professor. How well does this work? When people start betting online as to who&#8217;s going to win, does it work?</p>
<p style="padding-left: 150px;">KOLEMAN STRUMPF, UNIVERSITY OF KANSAS: Yes, the markets have <strong>a really tremendous track record</strong> dating back at least on the online markets to 1988. And actually earlier, there were impromptu markets that existed outside of Wall Street in the early 20th century.</p>
<p style="padding-left: 150px;"><strong>These things have been around for at least 100 years or probably more. 150 years.</strong> And with maybe only one or two exceptions that I can think of, they&#8217;ve done a just totally dead on job at forecasting.</p>
<p style="padding-left: 150px;">[FOREMAN]: Long before polling existed, then you&#8217;re saying we had betting. And there were betting lines in newspapers. And if you want to know who&#8217;s winning the presidential race, that&#8217;s what you looked at?</p>
<p style="padding-left: 150px;">STRUMPF: That&#8217;s exactly right. So <strong>in 1904, &#8220;The New York Times&#8221; reported on the front page what was going on at the Wall Street betting markets since there was no Gallup Poll that existed at that time.</strong></p>
<p style="padding-left: 150px;">FOREMAN: Johnny, why do you think that this is generally so successful compared to polling?</p>
<p style="padding-left: 150px;">JOHN AVELLO, DIR. OF RACE &amp; SPORTS, WYNN HOTEL: Well, first of all, you are taking actual bets. And you know, each person that puts their money up is a good indication of, you know, which way they like it.</p>
<p style="padding-left: 150px;">When you&#8217;re doing polling, you know, that&#8217;s kind of an ambiguous way of finding out who the winner is because you&#8217;re getting a fraction of the people who you&#8217;re actually finding out who they like. So I like to call it money versus unpredictability.</p>
<p style="padding-left: 150px;">FOREMAN: You&#8217;re saying the difference is that in a poll, somebody may say something that they believe in generally, or they think that the pollster wants to hear. But when they put money down, they&#8217;re going to really bet on what they think is going to happen?</p>
<p style="padding-left: 150px;">AVELLO: It&#8217;s the real thing.</p>
<p style="padding-left: 150px;">FOREMAN: It&#8217;s sort of interesting when you look at these different types of polls. There&#8217;s the In Trade system, which is out of Dublin, Ireland that&#8217;s sort of interesting. In Trade allows people to bet actual money and large amounts of it on all sorts of outcomes all around the world.</p>
<p style="padding-left: 150px;">The Iowa markets is one the people have talked about a lot. Set up by a university there. Basically the Iowa markets allow people to bet in limited amounts of money. About $500. And it&#8217;s used simply to see how well this works for educational purposes mainly.</p>
<p style="padding-left: 150px;">Professor, when we talk about these, though, why did polling ever become popular if betting works so well in telling how we would win?</p>
<p style="padding-left: 150px;">STRUMPF: Well, I think a kind of &#8212; much like today, <strong>the newspapers, the media was always uncomfortable reporting these markets. There sort of was dubious legal status and maybe some moral issues with it.</strong></p>
<p style="padding-left: 150px;">Polling for whatever reason seems to have been morally acceptable to the media. And I think as a result when Gallup came around in the late 1930s, the betting markets kind of fell by the wayside. They never of course disappeared, but I think it was sort of a moral issue, the same kind of moral issues that I think arise today in thinking about gambling.</p>
<p style="padding-left: 150px;">FOREMAN: So let me ask you this, Johnny. Why do you think it&#8217;s been so difficult this year, though? Because as far as we can tell, the betting lines have not done any better than the pollsters this year in predicting this election. It has been all over the map. And the betting has been all over the map.</p>
<p style="padding-left: 150px;">AVELLO: Well, one thing to remember, Tom, is that when the book maker&#8217;s putting up a line, what they&#8217;re trying to accomplish is divided action. So they&#8217;re not trying to pick the winner because let&#8217;s take for instance if the book maker put up Hillary Clinton at one to two, and she was bet from to three to win the Democratic nomination. You know, and Obama won. People would say, wow, the book maker really got killed on that.</p>
<p style="padding-left: 150px;">FOREMAN: The book maker&#8217;s not trying to predict it, but obviously, the gamblers are, the people who are betting on these things. And they haven&#8217;t done well this time, not compared to past elections. Why do you think that is? Why is this so hard to sort out?</p>
<p style="padding-left: 150px;">AVELLO: Because they&#8217;re not always right. No one&#8217;s right at 100 percent of the time. I would say best case. You know, I know that history has shown that the bettor has done well on this. But to be perfectly honest with you, I think if you do 60 percent, you&#8217;ve done a great job of picking the winner.</p>
<p style="padding-left: 150px;">FOREMAN: And Koleman, do you think there&#8217;s anything unique that&#8217;s making it harder for the betting markets to be as accurate as they had been in the past?</p>
<p style="padding-left: 150px;">STRUMPF: Well, it&#8217;s obviously a close market and opinions are changing rapidly. I just want to kind of maybe extend a little on what Johnny just said in terms of thinking about what these markets mean.</p>
<p style="padding-left: 150px;"><strong>The markets give us a probability of an event occurring. </strong>So even if, for example, Obama is a 80 percent favorite in the upcoming Wisconsin primary, which he is, that still means on the flip side that there&#8217;s a 20 percent chance that he&#8217;s not going to win. <strong>So <em>the markets, again as Johnny had said, don&#8217;t &#8211; they &#8211; by sort of definition can&#8217;t predict an upset</em>. An upset is a surprise which people hadn&#8217;t anticipated. So sometimes there are these quick shifts of opinion, which I &#8212; to the best of my knowledge, there&#8217;s no way to forecast that in advance.</strong></p>
<p style="padding-left: 150px;">FOREMAN: And this campaign has been just filled with them. Johnny, one last thing here. Any sense of where the smart money is going these days?</p>
<p style="padding-left: 150px;">AVELLO: Well, let&#8217;s say that there&#8217;s been a shift. I believe the smart money was on Hillary Clinton early, and has shifted to Obama. But surprises do happen. And all you need to do is look at the Superbowl to find that out.</p>
<p style="padding-left: 150px;">FOREMAN: Johnny, thanks so much. Koleman, as well. We appreciate you being here. And speaking of gambling, Madame Tussaud&#8217;s Wax Museum here in Washington is hedging its bet. And that kicks off our political side show.</p>
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		<title>Polls Vs. Prediction Markets</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[- Asia Times: [...] Outperforming Taiwan&#8217;s polls shouldn&#8217;t be hard. They&#8217;re notoriously bad as a forecast of election outcomes. In late 2006, for example, many media polls underrated the pro-independence party&#8217;s support &#8211; a recurring problem. Taiwan&#8217;s prediction markets did &#8230; <a href="http://www.midasoracle.org/2008/03/14/polls-vs-prediction-markets-2/">Continue reading <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a>]]></description>
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<p><a href="http://www.atimes.com/atimes/China_Business/JC14Cb01.html" title="Prediction markets in Asia">Asia Times</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>[...] <strong>Outperforming Taiwan&#8217;s polls shouldn&#8217;t be hard. </strong><em>They&#8217;re notoriously bad as a forecast of election outcomes</em>. In late 2006, for example, many media polls underrated the pro-independence party&#8217;s support &#8211; a recurring problem. Taiwan&#8217;s prediction markets did a much better job of estimating vote shares (the island&#8217;s two markets both called the Kaohsiung mayoral election wrong, but that contest was a statistical dead heat). &#8220;Most opinion polls usually have 20 to 30% &#8216;no answer&#8217;,&#8221; said Lin Jih-wen, director of the Center for Prediction Markets. &#8220;We don&#8217;t have missing data or a sampling bias, that&#8217;s our strength.&#8221;</p>
<p>The market has now picked the strong likelihood of victory by the China-friendly candidate Ma Ying-jeou. Time will tell if it&#8217;s got the right guy. But even if it doesn&#8217;t, the markets&#8217; enthusiastic reception shows how Asia &#8211; like the US and Europe &#8211; has embraced such markets as <strong>a powerful fortune-telling tool.</strong></p></blockquote>
<p>A &#8220;powerful fortune-telling tool&#8221;? <a href="http://www.midasoracle.org/predictions/">Jesus</a>. <img src='http://www.midasoracle.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':-D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>&#8220;Outperforming&#8221; the Taiwanese advanced indicators which they are feeding on? Humm&#8230; <img src='http://www.midasoracle.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':-D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>[Mike Giberson will write a comment, below, reminding me of Prof <a href="http://people.ku.edu/%7Ecigar/">Koleman Strumpf</a>'s work (<a href="http://www.unc.edu/%7Ecigar/papers/BettingPaper_10Nov2003_long2.pdf">PDF file</a>) showing that the historical prediction markets were accurate enough, even though the scientific polls were not invented yet. Yes, I know of that, Mike, but I still don't get whether it's a puzzle or a mystery. <img src='http://www.midasoracle.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':-D' class='wp-smiley' />  ... Do you?]</p>
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