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		<title>How BetFair Works = How BetFair lies about the history of the betting exchange industry</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2009 15:58:51 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Chris F. Masse</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[How BetFair Works &#8212; VIDEO This BetFair video totally misinforms the public about the history of the betting exchange industry. It actually started in the United States of America, with the Iowa Electronic Markets in 1988, the ForeSight Exchange in &#8230; <a href="http://www.midasoracle.org/2009/08/12/how-betfair-works-how-betfair-lies-about-the-history-of-the-betting-exchange-industry/">Continue reading <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d05joU_FSYo">How BetFair Works &#8212; VIDEO</a></p>
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<p><strong><a href="http://www.midasoracle.org/predictions/timeline/">This BetFair video totally misinforms the public about the history of the betting exchange industry. It actually started in the United States of America, with the Iowa Electronic Markets in 1988, the ForeSight Exchange in 1994, and the Hollywood Stock Exchange in 1996.</a></strong></p>
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		<title>&#8220;The fact that Inkling needs five bullet points and a graph to explain short selling is a good indication itâ€™s too complicated.&#8221;</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Mar 2009 16:59:25 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Chris F. Masse</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[That was Jason Trost&#8217;s comment. But see, first, Chris Hibbert&#8217;s comment: My main complaint about using the â€œshort-sellingâ€ terminology in prediction markets, is that it uses a term from finance that describes a complicated scenario to describe a simple scenario &#8230; <a href="http://www.midasoracle.org/2009/03/19/short-selling-prediction-markets/">Continue reading <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That was Jason Trost&#8217;s comment.</p>
<p><a href="http://blog.oddhead.com/2009/03/17/kiss-prediction-market-lingo-goodbye/#comment-37290">But see, first, Chris Hibbert&#8217;s comment</a>:</p>
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<p style="padding-left: 300px;">My main complaint about using <strong>the â€œshort-sellingâ€ terminology</strong> in prediction markets, is that it uses a term from finance that describes a complicated scenario to describe a simple scenario it doesnâ€™t apply to. In financial markets, short selling means that you accrue money in order to take on a conditional obligation. When you bet against a proposition (on <a href="http://intrade.com/">InTrade</a>, Foresight Exchange or (I think) <a href="http://inklingmarkets.com/">Inkling</a>), you spend money and gain a conditional asset. <strong>In the prediction market case, you donâ€™t have any further obligation; thereâ€™s no possibility of a margin call. The asset has a non-negative value.</strong></p>
<p style="padding-left: 300px;"><strong>I actually think the way <a href="http://us.newsfutures.com/">NewsFutures</a> describes binary outcomes is the simplest.</strong> They never talk about selling unless you already own the asset. If you donâ€™t own any of the asset, you can either buy it, or click a button to see the opposite view, which you can also buy. <strong>They donâ€™t have â€œyesâ€ and â€œnoâ€, they just have complementary wordings and titles for opposing outcomes.</strong></p>
<p>Go reading all the comments, there.</p></div>
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		<title>Prediction markets, search engines, and social networking: a triangular marriage made in heaven.</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Aug 2008 08:56:41 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Chris F. Masse</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Midas Oracle is a group blog devoted on all the dimensions of all the prediction markets. The marketing dimension is important. Since the Iowa Electronic Markets, the Foresight Exchange, the Hollywood Stock Exchange, BetFair, NewsFutures and TradeSports (which later spinned &#8230; <a href="http://www.midasoracle.org/2008/08/30/prediction-markets-search-engines-social-networking/">Continue reading <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Midas Oracle is a group blog <a title="ABOUT Midas Oracle" href="http://www.midasoracle.org/about/">devoted</a> on <strong>all the dimensions</strong> of <strong>all</strong> the prediction markets. The marketing dimension is important. Since the Iowa Electronic Markets, the Foresight Exchange, the Hollywood Stock Exchange, BetFair, NewsFutures and TradeSports (which later spinned off InTrade) were created in the nineties or in the very beginning of this decade, two important things happened in the marketing planet:</p>
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<li>People now <strong>&#8220;google&#8221;</strong> about anything and expect <strong>&#8220;free&#8221;</strong> information.</li>
<li>People now make <strong>&#8220;friends&#8221;</strong> (acquaintances, actually) on the Web, and <strong>&#8220;share&#8221;</strong> tidbits with one another.</li>
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<p><a title="Why the BetFair model is partially obsolete" href="http://www.midasoracle.org/2008/08/08/betfair-model-outdated/">Both the prediction exchanges and the prediction market blogs should take these 2 trends into account</a>.</p>
<p><strong><a href="http://intade.net/">InTrade .NET</a> is an <a title="InTrade DOT NET â€” www.intrade.net" href="http://www.midasoracle.org/2008/08/28/intrade-dot-net/">attempt</a> at milking out these <a title="The InTrade .NET charting system is a great improvement for prediction market journalism." href="http://www.midasoracle.org/2008/08/29/intrade-charts/">ideas</a> &#8212;<a title="Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery." href="http://www.midasoracle.org/2008/08/29/imitation-is-the-sincerest-form-of-flattery/">right out of HubDub&#8217;s textbook</a>.</strong></p>
<p>(I am aware of many other prediction market firms that have <strong>already</strong> implemented some of these functions. I am not authorized to blog about it.)</p>
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		<title>Prediction Market Management &#8212; Foresight Exchange vs. Inkling Markets &amp; HubDub</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jan 2008 18:19:48 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Chris F. Masse</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is a follow-up post. &#8212; Ken Kittlitz (the head of the Foresight Exchange) to me: You&#8217;re correct, the owner of an FX claim must find a different FX player to act as the judge. This is largely to ensure &#8230; <a href="http://www.midasoracle.org/2008/01/28/event-derivative-management/">Continue reading <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a <a href="http://www.midasoracle.org/2008/01/15/user-created-cda-powered-prediction-exchanges/" title="Inkling Markets and NewsFutures should merge. Or play-money InTrade should let users create their own event derivative(s). Or maybe TradeFair should do it. Or Zocalo should be based on the Web. Or Greg Knaddison should pop out of his Colorado cave with something great.">follow-up</a> post.</p>
<p>&#8212;</p>
<p>Ken Kittlitz (the head of the <a href="http://www.ideosphere.com/" title="Foresight Exchange">Foresight Exchange</a>) to me:</p>
<blockquote><p>You&#8217;re correct, <strong>the owner of an FX claim must find a <em>different</em> FX player to act as the judge.</strong> This is largely to ensure that at least more than one person thinks the claim is worth having.</p></blockquote>
<p>With <a href="http://www.inklingmarkets.com/" title="Inkling Markets">Inkling Markets</a> and <a href="http://www.hubdub.com/" title="HubDub">HubDub</a>, at the contrary, the creator of a prediction market can be <em>the same person</em> who (judges and) expires it.</p>
<p><img src="http://www.midasoracle.org/wp-content/uploads/2008/01/hubdub1.jpg" alt="HubDub1" /></p>
<p><img src="http://www.midasoracle.org/wp-content/uploads/2008/01/hubdub2.jpg" alt="HubDub2" /></p>
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		<title>Is HSX the â€œlongest continuously operating prediction marketâ€??? &#8211; REDUX</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Nov 2006 11:40:35 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Chris F. Masse</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is a copy of the story that I ran on the sidebar blog, in mid-October: =============== From the HSX site feed: Hollywood Stock Exchange is an integrated marketing, research and technology company driven by its patented entertainment stock market, &#8230; <a href="http://www.midasoracle.org/2006/11/23/is-hsx-the-%e2%80%9clongest-continuously-operating-prediction-market%e2%80%9d-redux/">Continue reading <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a title="Is HSX the â€œlongest continuously operating prediction marketâ€???" href="http://www.midasoracle.net/">This is a copy of the story that I ran on the sidebar blog, in mid-October</a>:</p>
<p>===============</p>
<p>From the <a title="HSX" href="http://www.hsx.com/">HSX</a> site feed:</p>
<blockquote><p>Hollywood Stock Exchange is an integrated marketing, research and technology company driven by its patented entertainment stock market, <strong>HSX.com, the longest continuously operating prediction market.</strong></p></blockquote>
<p><strong><em>Reality Check:</em></strong></p>
<p><strong><a href="http://www.ideosphere.com/">Foresight Exchange</a></strong> &#8211; (FX, FSX) &#8211; (Alberta, Canada) â€” URL: <a href="http://www.ideosphere.com/">IdeoSphere</a> &#8211; Alternate URL: <a href="http://www.ideafutures.com/">Idea Futures</a> â€” <strong>Launched in 1994 by <a title="FX co-founder" href="http://www.wendigo.com/">Ken Kittlitz</a>, Sean Morgan, Mark James, Greg James, David McFadzean and Duane Hewitt</strong> â€” Godfathered by Robin Hanson (a prediction market co-inventor)</p>
<p><strong><a href="http://www.hsx.com/">Hollywood Stock Exchange</a></strong> &#8211; (HSX) &#8211; (L.A., California, U.S.A.) â€” URL: <a href="http://www.hsx.com/">HSX</a> â€” <a href="http://movies.hsx.com/">HSX Movies</a> &#8211; <a href="http://www.hsx.com/community/">HSX Community</a> â€” CDA with an automated market maker (AMM) that balances buy/sell orders by generating both buy and sell orders, which keep the market maker in balance as well. â€” <a href="http://www.hsx.com/">HSX</a> is a play-money prediction exchange with a game, IPO-like interface. â€” Owned by <a href="http://www.cantor.com/">Cantor Fitzgerald</a> â€” <strong>Founded in 1996 by Max Keiser and Michael Burns</strong></p>
<p>===============</p>
<p>And, now, here&#8217;s my today&#8217;s blog post:</p>
<p>&#8212;</p>
<p><strong><a title="HSX Site Feed" href="http://movies.hsx.com/hsx_news.xml">The <em>sub-title</em> of the HSX site feed has just been slightly amended to read, now</a>:</strong></p>
<blockquote><p>Hollywood Stock Exchange is an integrated marketing, research and technology company driven by its patented entertainment stock market, <strong>HSX.com, the longest continuously operating <em>commercial</em> prediction market</strong></p></blockquote>
<p>The adjective &#8220;<strong>commercial</strong>&#8221; has been added.</p>
<p>&#8212;</p>
<p><strong><em>My Question:</em></strong> In light of <strong><a title="We should try to be more careful about our distinctions and definitions." href="http://www.midasoracle.org/2006/11/21/prediction-markets-definitions/">Robin Hanson&#8217;s call for the right definitions (&#8220;Prediction Markets Definitions&#8221;, his blog post here, at Midas Oracle)</a></strong>, what do you make of the HSX line?</p>
<p><strong><em>My Answer:</em></strong> Since veterans <a title="IEM" href="http://www.biz.uiowa.edu/iem/">Iowa Electronic Markets</a> and <a href="http://www.ideosphere.com/">Foresight Exchange</a> were (and are still) non-commercial operations, I&#8217;m fine with the brand-new HSX line. (<em>Nota Bene:</em> The for-profit consulting firm Consensus Point was born recently from the Foresight Exchange technology, as you all know.) <strong>I would just prefer the term &#8220;EXCHANGE&#8221;, as in, &#8220;HSX, the longest continuously operating <em>commercial</em> prediction <em>exchange</em>&#8220;.</strong> Let&#8217;s check next month, in December 2006, whether they make another change &#8212;probably not, this time.</p>
<p>&#8212;</p>
<p><strong><em>MORE LINKS:</em></strong> See <a title="CFM" href="http://www.chrisfmasse.com/">CFM</a> for the complete lists of <a title="List of prediction market consultants" href="http://www.chrisfmasse.com/3/3/consultants/">prediction market consultants</a> and <a title="List of prediction exchanges" href="http://www.chrisfmasse.com/3/3/exchanges/">prediction exchanges</a>. Alternatively, see <a title="Policy Markets" href="http://www.aei-brookings.org/policymarkets/">AEI-Brookings&#8217;s mini-directory</a> or the <a title="Prediction Markets" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prediction_market">Wikipedia entry on prediction markets</a>.</p>
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<p><strong>HAPPY THANKSGIVING. GOBBLE, GOBBLE.</strong></p>
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<p><strong><em>Addendum (November 29):</em></strong> Chris Hibbert has posted a comment&#8230;</p>
<blockquote><p><strong>The precursor to the Foresight Exchange (FX), was known as IF (for â€œIdea Futuresâ€). IF was created in 1994, and the transition to FX happened in July 1996, according to my mail archives. So I would say that the veracity of HSXâ€™s claim to be the longest CONTINUOUSLY OPERATING exchange depends on whether they started before or after July 24, 1996.</strong> The transition from IF to FX attempted to maintain account balances and markets that were already in operation, but there were some glitches.</p>
<p>Others might point to the fact that they did maintain account balances and running markets through the transition (however rocky the transition might have been) to say that <strong>FX is a continuously operating successor to IF</strong>, no different than any other software rev.</p></blockquote>
<p>&#8212;</p>
<p><strong><em>Addendum 2 (November 29):</em></strong> I got it from the Horse&#8217;s mouth that &#8220;<strong>HSX was founded on April 12, 1996</strong>&#8220;.</p>
<p>&#8212;</p>
<p><strong><em>Addendum 3 (November 29):</em></strong> <a title="FX" href="http://www.wendigo.com/">Ken Kittlitz</a>, the co-founder of the Foresight Exchange, has sent me this clarification&#8230;</p>
<blockquote><p><strong>The transition from IF to FX occurred on July 4th, 1996. We preserved as much data as we could, including all open claims, the entire ticker history, and a fair number of user accounts. As Chris notes, the transition was somewhat rocky. However, <em>I consider it an upgrade to the original system rather than the creation of a distinct new system</em>.</strong></p></blockquote>
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