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		<title>Now that Joe Biden is the Democratic vice president nominee, what to think of Justin Wolfers&#8217; August 1st column for the WSJ?</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 22:29:58 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Chris F. Masse</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[- The good point is that he dealt well with the fact that the VP prediction markets fed on primary indicators that are less reliable than the ones used for the political elections. - The bad point is that, at &#8230; <a href="http://www.midasoracle.org/2008/08/26/justin-wolfers-wsj/">Continue reading <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>- <strong>The good point</strong> is that he dealt <strong>well</strong> with the fact that the VP prediction markets fed on primary indicators that are less reliable than the ones used for the political elections.</p>
<p>- <strong>The bad point</strong> is that, at the time he wrote up his column, Virginia governor Tim Kaine was the favorite of the InTrade VP prediction markets. The others were, in decreasing order, Evan Bayth, Kathleen Sebelius, and then&#8230; Joe Biden. <strong>So, the critic reading his column today could say that the prediction markets are oversold to a gullible public</strong> and that a prediction market bubble ready to pop up is forming under our very nose.</p>
<p>- Now, we know that <strong>Barack Obama made his decision while vacationing in Hawaii (less than 2 weeks ago). </strong>That&#8217;s only from that date that the VP prediction markets started generating probabilistic predictions worth quoting. The trick is that <strong>Justin Wolfers (and the other prediction market analysts) didn&#8217;t know that, on August 1st. (<a href="http://bpp.wharton.upenn.edu/jwolfers/Press/WSJcolumn/14-Sharp%20Shifts%20Raise%20Kaine.pdf">PDF file</a>)<br />
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<p>- I don&#8217;t regret my decision <a title="While InTrade CEO John Delaney is deceiving the journalists to sell his wares, Tom Snee of the Iowa Electronic Markets is telling them the truth: BEWARE THE VP-CANDIDATE PREDICTION MARKETS, THEY JUST AGGREGATE RUMORS." href="http://www.midasoracle.org/">not to publish</a> about <a title="The vetting of the many potential Democratic vice president nominees was not as secretive as I thought. â€” Bo Cowgill was right, in hindsight." href="http://www.midasoracle.org/2008/08/24/vetting-democratic-vice-president-nominee/">the VP prediction markets</a>. I&#8217;d look like an idiot today.</p>
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		<title>The vetting of the many potential Democratic vice president nominees was not as secretive as I thought. &#8212; Bo Cowgill was right, in hindsight.</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Aug 2008 18:02:44 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Chris F. Masse</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[The New York Times has a recount on how Barack Obama reached his decision on Joe Biden. The final decision was probably made 10 days ago, while Barack Obama was vacationing in Hawaii. [...] Mr. Obamaâ€™s decision had as much &#8230; <a href="http://www.midasoracle.org/2008/08/24/vetting-democratic-vice-president-nominee/">Continue reading <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a title="In Obamaâ€™s Choice, a â€˜Very Personal Decisionâ€™" href="http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/24/us/politics/24deconstruct.html">The New York Times has a recount on <strong>how Barack Obama reached his decision on Joe Biden</strong></a><strong>.</strong> The final decision was probably made <strong>10 days ago</strong>, while Barack Obama was vacationing in Hawaii.</p>
<p style="padding-left: 150px;">[...] Mr. Obamaâ€™s decision had as much to do with <strong>Mr. Bidenâ€™s appeal among white working-class voters</strong> and compelling personal story, and his conclusion that the Delaware senator was &#8220;a worker.&#8221;</p>
<p>The important information in the NYT piece is that Barack Obama personally called governor Bill Richardson <strong>&#8220;late last week&#8221;</strong> to announce him that he was not considered anymore. That&#8217;s around the time the Joe Biden rumor began to have more weight in the media circles &#8212;see the InTrade chart below.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.intrade.com/"><img class="alignnone size-full wp-image-8484" title="joe-biden" src="http://www.midasoracle.org/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/joe-biden.png" alt="" width="780" height="311" /></a></p>
<p><a title="Why I donâ€™t believe in VP prediction markets" href="http://www.midasoracle.org/2008/05/15/vp-prediction-markets/#comment-18623"><strong>Bo Cowgill</strong>, back in May 2008</a> (when I started to <a title="While InTrade CEO John Delaney is deceiving the journalists to sell his wares, Tom Snee of the Iowa Electronic Markets is telling them the truth: BEWARE THE VP-CANDIDATE PREDICTION MARKETS, THEY JUST AGGREGATE RUMORS." href="http://www.midasoracle.org/2008/08/22/vp-prediction-markets-2/">act as a prophet of doom</a>):</p>
<p style="padding-left: 150px;">This is dumb. Cover them if something interesting happens. Maybe your theory will turn out to be wrong. Anyhow: <strong>Although the decision is made in secrecy, the Presidential nominees have a number incentives which we have plenty of information about. </strong>Specifically:<br />
* They want someone who will balance their tickets in terms of geography, race and class.<br />
* They want someone who will help with weak areas of their campaigns.<br />
* They want someone who will be a good campaign surrogate â€” giving good speeches and attacking the opponents effectively.<br />
* They want to avoid a VP who will de-motivate or offend the base.<br />
* They want to avoid someone with a bunch of skeletons in the closet such as angry ex-wives, out-of-wedlock kids, etc.<br />
* Etc etc.<br />
Anyhow, I donâ€™t see any reason to ignore these markets in case something interesting happens. I read Midas Oracle so that I donâ€™t *have* to read a whole bunch of other websites!</p>
<p>Bo Cowgill was on the right track, now that I think of it &#8212;<a title="The long, drawn-out faux drama of picking a running mate." href="http://www.slate.com/id/2198116/">in a society where </a><strong><a title="The long, drawn-out faux drama of picking a running mate." href="http://www.slate.com/id/2198116/">everything leaks out</a>.</strong></p>
<p><a title=" Obama and McCain delight the bookies" href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7575372.stm">On the opposite of the spectrum, <strong>Tom Snee</strong> was too much extreme in his view</a>:</p>
<p style="padding-left: 150px;">According to Tom Snee of the Iowa Electronic Market, at Iowa University, futures markets need more <strong>hard information</strong> than they get in the veepstakes, to <strong>reliably</strong> predict a result.</p>
<p style="padding-left: 150px;"><strong>Markets are very good at predicting elections, he says &#8211; but not choices being made inside Barack Obama&#8217;s or John McCain&#8217;s head.</strong></p>
<p><strong><a title="Prediction Markets on the Veep Race" href="http://freakonomics.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/08/01/prediction-markets-on-the-veep-race/">Justin Wolfers</a></strong> was more measured.</p>
<p>So, Bo Cowgill and Justin Wolfers are the winners, on that one.</p>
<p>I was partially wrong. I am a bit too extreme, sometimes. (<a title=" confab.yahoo: Thanks everyone!" href="http://blog.oddhead.com/2006/12/16/confabyahoo-thanks-everyone/">Did someone else notice that?</a> <img src='http://www.midasoracle.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':-D' class='wp-smiley' />  ) I need to learn more about&#8230; granularity.</p>
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<p>PS: On the Republican side, now&#8230;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.intrade.com/aav2/trading/tradingHTML.jsp?selConID=607580"> <img title="Price for 2008 Republican VP Nominee (others upon request)(expired at convention) at intrade.com" src="http://data.intrade.com/graphing/closingChart.png?contractId=607580&amp;chartSize=S&amp;tradeURL=https://www.intrade.com" border="0" alt="Price for 2008 Republican VP Nominee (others upon request)(expired at convention) at intrade.com" width="460" height="225" /></a></p>
<div style="border: 1px solid #e4e4e4; padding: 5px; text-align: center; font-size: 16px; font-family: Arial,sans-serif; width: 420px; color: #4589ce; background-color: #ffffff;"><img style="margin:-5px;margin-bottom:5px" src="http://www.hubdub.com/images/mkt_wdgt_top.gif" alt="" /><a href="http://www.hubdub.com/e/Market/Who_will_be_the_Republican_Vice_Presidential_Nominee_1473">Who will be the Republican Vice Presidential Nominee?</a><a href="http://www.hubdub.com/e/Market/Who_will_be_the_Republican_Vice_Presidential_Nominee_1473"><img style="margin-top:5px;border-width:0 !important;padding:0 !important;" src="http://www.hubdub.com//c/CCMarketWidget/cc_action.cca_graph.w.69464.m.1473.t.6/getin.gif" alt="" /></a></div>
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		<title>Barack Obama + Joe Biden &#8212; THE PREDICTION MARKETS NAILED IT&#8230; triple alas (for my reputation as a world-wide prediction market pundit, and for the debate on the different quality of the various primary indicators out there).</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[â€œFriend &#8212; I have some important news that I want to make official. Iâ€™ve chosen Joe Biden to be my running mate.â€ Some blogger says his wife is fantastic. New York Times portrait of Joe Biden. UPDATE: Barack Obama&#8216;s speech &#8230; <a href="http://www.midasoracle.org/2008/08/23/barack-obama-joe-biden-the-prediction-markets-nailed-it-triple-alas-for-my-reputation-as-a-world-wide-prediction-market-pundit-and-for-the-debate-on-the-different-quality-of-the-various-prim/">Continue reading <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>â€œ<a title="Obama Chooses Biden as Running Mate" href="http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/24/us/politics/24biden.html">Friend &#8212; I have some important news that I want to make official. Iâ€™ve chosen Joe Biden to be my running mate.</a>â€</strong></p>
<p><a title="Wait Til America Gets to Know JILL BIDEN" href="http://www.thewashingtonnote.com/archives/2008/08/wait_til_americ/">Some blogger says his wife is fantastic</a>.</p>
<p><a title="As Running Mate, Biden Offers Foreign Policy Heft but an Insider Image" href="http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/18/us/politics/18biden.html?_r=1&amp;oref=slogin">New York Times portrait of Joe Biden</a>.</p>
<p>UPDATE: <a href="http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/08/remarks_introducing_joe_biden.html">Barack Obama</a>&#8216;s <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3CjjqnvRKCo">speech</a> + <a href="http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/08/elect_obama_to_reclaim_america.html">Joe Biden</a>&#8216;s <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fSNuYqYMeG4">speech</a></p>
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<p><strong>I think it is the worst <a title="Obama on Biden: 'He gets it'" href="http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0808/12733.html">pick</a> ever.</strong> <a title="5 things the Biden pick says about Obama" href="http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0808/12751.html">What a blunder</a>. Joe Biden (a D.C. insider) is unpopular and gaffe prone. Plus, <a title="Analysis: Biden pick shows lack of confidence" href="http://news.yahoo.com/story/ap/20080823/ap_on_el_ge/veepstakes_analysis">that choice shows that Barack Obama is insecure</a> when <a title="FOURNIER IS AT IT AGAIN...." href="http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2008_08/014385.php">it comes to foreign policy</a>. An emphasis on the economy and, thus, on a successful gubernatorial experience would have been better.</p>
<p><strong><a title="One Hand on Her Job, the Other Across the Aisle" href="http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/20/us/politics/20sebelius.html">Kathleen Sebelius</a> was the one to pick.</strong> She is <strong>my</strong> vice president. (And <a href="http://www.campaignforliberty.com/">Ron Paul</a> is <strong>my</strong> president. <img src='http://www.midasoracle.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':-D' class='wp-smiley' />  )<strong><br />
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<p><a href="http://www.intrade.com/"><img class="alignnone size-full wp-image-8484" title="joe-biden" src="http://www.midasoracle.org/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/joe-biden.png" alt="" width="780" height="311" /></a></p>
<p><strong><a href="http://www.midasoracle.org/2008/06/05/betting-and-information/">I</a> <a title="While InTrade CEO John Delaney is deceiving the journalists to sell his wares, Tom Snee of the Iowa Electronic Markets is telling them the truth: BEWARE THE VP-CANDIDATE PREDICTION MARKETS, THEY JUST AGGREGATE RUMORS." href="http://www.midasoracle.org/2008/08/22/vp-prediction-markets-2/">have</a> <a title="ENDLESS VEEPSTAKES: Why you should never trade on VP prediction markets, and why their probabilistic predictions are as stochastic as Paris Hiltonâ€™s daily dress picks." href="http://www.midasoracle.org/2008/08/20/vp-candidate-prediction-markets/">over-estimated</a> the secretiveness of Barack Obama&#8217;s decision process.</strong> The chart above obviously shows that the Joe Biden narrative <strong>leaked out</strong> to reporters was beamed out for a purpose: testing the Obama-needs-a-VP-who-is-strong-in-foreign-policy argument, and letting the Press do the final vetting on gaffe-prone Joe Biden.</p>
<p>InTrade CEO John Delaney (along with the <a href="http://www.hubdub.com/m12258/Who_will_be_Obamas_choice_for_VP">HubDub</a> and <a href="http://politics.betfair.com/">BetFair</a> people) will now brag on his marketing material that his prediction exchange did forecast Joe Biden as the Democratic vice president nominee.</p>
<p>What&#8217;s bad in all that (<em>other than I have an egg on my face</em> <strong>[*]</strong> ) is that we won&#8217;t have a public debate on <strong>the different quality of the various primary indicators</strong>, and how that conditions the accuracy of the prediction markets.</p>
<p><strong>[*]</strong> I have an egg on my face, but <a href="http://caveatbettor.blogspot.com/2008/08/i-just-did-my-first-intrade-vp-trade.html">Caveat Bettor has a whole omelet on his</a>. <img src='http://www.midasoracle.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':-D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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