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<p><strong>CHRONOLOGY &amp; HISTORY: Prediction Markets Timeline</strong></p>
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<p><strong>#1. Historical Prediction Markets</strong></p>
<p>According to Paul Rhode and Koleman Strumpf, prediction markets almost never got it wrong forecasting the 19 presidential elections that took place <strong>from 1868 to 1940.</strong> (<a title="Paper" href="http://www.unc.edu/%7Ecigar/papers/BettingPaper_10Nov2003_long2.pdf">PDF</a>)</p>
<p><strong>#2. The three Iowa Electronic Markets founders</strong> (Robert Forsythe, Forrest Nelson and George Neumann)</p>
<p>&#8220;<a title="Iowa Electronic Markets" href="http://www.biz.uiowa.edu/iem/">We</a> ran our first market <strong>in 1988. </strong>We didnâ€™t have regulatory approval at that point so we were restricted solely to the University of Iowa community. We had under 200 traders and under $5,000.&#8221; &#8211; [Robert Forsythe - <a title="Speech" href="http://www.milkeninstitute.org/pdf/forsythetran.pdf">PDF file</a>]</p>
<p>- [CFTC's no-action letter to the IEM - 1992 - <a href="http://www.cftc.gov/files/foia/repfoia/foirf0503b002.pdf">PDF file</a>]</p>
<p>- [CFTC's no-action letter to the IEM - 1993 - <a href="http://www.cftc.gov/files/foia/repfoia/foirf0503b004.pdf">PDF file</a>]</p>
<p><strong>#3. Robin Hanson</strong></p>
<p>a) <a title="Robin Hanson" href="http://hanson.gmu.edu/">Robin Hanson</a> set up and ran <strong>a rudimentary prediction exchange</strong> (a market board, <a title="Market Board" href="http://hanson.gmu.edu/ppt/MarketBoard.ppt">PPT file</a>) <strong>in January 24, 1989.</strong> The outcome to predict was the name of the winner of a Poker party.</p>
<p>b) Until evidence of the contrary, it seems that Robin Hanson was <strong>the first to set up and run a corporate prediction exchange</strong> &#8212;at Xanadu, Inc., in April 1989. See: <a title="A 1990 Corporate Prediction Market" href="http://www.midasoracle.org/2006/11/23/a-1990-corporate-prediction-market/">A 1990 Corporate Prediction Market</a> + <a title="Anonymity is important for employees trading on internal prediction markets." href="http://www.midasoracle.org/2007/02/10/anonymity-is-important-for-employees-trading-on-internal-prediction-markets/">Anonymity is important for employees trading on internal prediction markets</a>.</p>
<p>Robin Hanson: &#8220;I started a market at Xanadu on cold fusion in April 1989. In May 1990, I started a market there on whether their product would be delivered before Deng died.&#8221;<a title="Anonymity is important for employees trading on internal prediction markets." href="http://www.midasoracle.org/2007/02/10/anonymity-is-important-for-employees-trading-on-internal-prediction-markets/"><br />
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<p>c) Until evidence of the contrary, it seems that Robin Hanson was <span style="font-weight: bold">the first to set up and run a bunch of imagination-based prediction markets. </span>See the <a title="Murder Mystery Evening described by Barney Pell" href="http://www.midasoracle.org/2006/11/06/prediction-markets-friend-barney-pell-is-involved-in-the-next-google-powerset/">Murder Mystery Evening described by Barney Pell</a> &#8212;circa June 8, 1989.</p>
<p>d) Until evidence of the contrary, it seems that Robin Hanson was <strong>the first to write a paper on prediction markets</strong> created and existing primarily because of the information in their prices (as opposed to markets created primarily for speculation and hedging).</p>
<p><a title="Could Gambling Save Science?" href="http://hanson.gmu.edu/gamble.html">Could Gambling Save Science?</a> &#8211; (<a title="Comments" href="http://hanson.gmu.edu/gamble-reply.html">Reply to Comments</a>) &#8211; by Robin Hanson &#8211; 1990-07-00<br />
<a title="Market-Based Foresight: a Proposal" href="http://www.islandone.org/Foresight/Updates/Update10/Update10.1.html#anchor2224246">Market-Based Foresight: a Proposal</a> &#8211; by Robin Hanson &#8211; 1990-10-30<br />
<a title="Idea Futures: Encouraging an Honest Consensus" href="http://hanson.gmu.edu/ifextropy.html">Idea Futures: Encouraging an Honest Consensus</a> &#8211; (<a title="Paper" href="http://hanson.gmu.edu/ifextropy.pdf">PDF</a>) &#8211; by Robin Hanson &#8211; 1992-11-00</p>
<p>e) Robin Hanson godfathered the <a title="Foresight Exchange" href="http://www.ideosphere.com/">Foresight Exchange</a> (created in 1994) and <a title="NewsFutures" href="http://us.newsfutures.com/">NewsFutures</a> (created in 2000).</p>
<p>f) Robin Hanson invented the concepts of <strong>decision markets</strong> (<a title="Decision Markets" href="http://hanson.gmu.edu/decisionmarkets.pdf">PDF</a>) and decision-aid markets.</p>
<p>g) Robin Hanson invented <strong>a new market design</strong> (for the 2000-2003&#8242;s <a title="Policy Analysis Market" href="http://hanson.gmu.edu/policyanalysismarket.html">Policy Analysis Market</a>), the <strong><a title="Designs" href="http://www.chrisfmasse.com/3/3/">Market Scoring Rules</a></strong>, a mix between CDA and Scoring Rules &#8212;now in use for most enterprise prediction markets and public, play-money prediction exchanges. Note that MSR is mainly used in a one-dimension version, but many researchers are interested in its combinatorial version.</p>
<p><strong>#4. Other Pioneering Public Prediction Exchanges (Betting Exchanges, Event Derivative Exchanges) and Inventors/Innovators/Entrepreneurs</strong></p>
<p>a) The <a title="Foresight Exchange" href="http://www.ideosphere.com/">Foresight Exchange</a> was founded <strong>on September 22, 1994</strong> by <a title="Ken Kittlitz" href="http://www.wendigo.com/">Ken Kittlitz</a>, Sean Morgan, Mark James, Greg James, David McFadzean and Duane Hewitt. The Foresight Exchange is a play-money prediction exchange (betting exchange) managed by an open group of volunteers. <strong>It pioneered <span style="font-style: italic">user-created and user-managed</span>, play-money prediction markets.</strong> Any person can join the Foresight Exchange and interact with the rest of the Web-based organization. An independent judge (<em>independent</em> from the owner of the claim) should be appointed among the volunteers. [Thus, it's not "DYI prediction markets".]</p>
<p>b) The <a title="Hollywood Stock Exchange" href="http://www.hsx.com/">Hollywood Stock Exchange</a> was founded <strong>on April 12, 1996</strong>, by <a title="Max Keiser" href="http://www.maxkeiser.net/">Max Keiser</a> and Michael Burns. See <a title="Computer-implemented securities trading system with a virtual specialist function" href="http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1&amp;Sect2=HITOFF&amp;d=PALL&amp;p=1&amp;u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsrchnum.htm&amp;r=1&amp;f=G&amp;l=50&amp;s1=5950176.PN.&amp;OS=PN/5950176&amp;RS=PN/5950176#h0">the patent for the Virtual Specialist</a>. For more info, see: <a title="Is HSX the â€œlongest continuously operating prediction marketâ€??? - REDUX" href="http://www.midasoracle.org/2006/11/23/is-hsx-the-%e2%80%9clongest-continuously-operating-prediction-market%e2%80%9d-redux/">Is HSX the â€œlongest continuously operating prediction marketâ€??? &#8211; REDUX</a></p>
<p>c) <a title="BetFair" href="http://www.betfair.com/">BetFair</a> was founded in 1999 by <a title="Andrew Black" href="http://www.bertsblog.co.uk/">Andrew Black</a> and Edward Wray, and was launched in England <strong>in June 2000.</strong> As of today, <strong><a title="BetFair" href="http://www.betfair.com/">BetFair</a> is the world&#8217;s biggest prediction exchange (betting exchange, event derivative exchange).</strong></p>
<p>d) <a title="NewsFutures" href="http://us.newsfutures.com/">NewsFutures</a> was founded in March 2000 and launched <strong>in September 2000</strong> in France and <strong>in April 2001</strong> in the US by Emile Servan-Shreiber and Maurice Balick. See: <a title="NewsFutures Timeline" href="http://www.midasoracle.org/2007/03/14/newsfutures-timeline/">NewsFutures Timeline</a>. <strong>NewsFutures was the first exchange to let people buy or sell contracts for each side of a binary-outcome event.</strong> The advantage of this design is that it avoids the need for &#8220;shorting&#8221;, a notion that tends to confuse novice traders. NewsFutures later extend that approach to deal with n-ary outcome events while implementing automatic arbitrage.</p>
<p>e) <strong><a title="TradeSports" href="http://www.tradesports.com/">TradeSports</a></strong> was launched in Ireland <strong>in 2002</strong> by John Delaney. <strong><a title="InTrade" href="http://www.intrade.com/v2/">InTrade</a></strong> was later purchased and became a non-sports prediction exchange (betting exchange). As of today, <a title="InTrade" href="http://www.intrade.com/">InTrade</a> is the biggest betting exchange on the North-American market &#8212;where betting exchanges are still illegal. As for <a title="TradeSports" href="http://www.tradesports.com/">TradeSports</a>, it closed at the end of 2008, alas.</p>
<p><strong>#5. The Policy Analysis Market Brouhaha</strong></p>
<p>a) <a title="Robin Hanson" href="http://hanson.gmu.edu/">Robin Hanson</a> was the main economist behind <strong>the 2000â€“2003 US DoD&#8217;s DARPA&#8217;s IAO&#8217;s FutureMAPâ€“<a title="Policy Analysis Market" href="http://hanson.gmu.edu/policyanalysismarket.html">Policy Analysis Market</a> project.</strong> (For this project, Robin Hanson invented a new market design, the <a title="Designs" href="http://www.chrisfmasse.com/3/3/">Market Scoring Rules</a>.) On July 28, 2003, two Democratic US Senators called for the termination of PAM, the the big media gave airtime to their arguments, and the US DOD quickly ended the IAO&#8217;s FutureMAP program.</p>
<p>b) The second branch of the 2000â€“2003 US DoD&#8217;s DARPA&#8217;s IAO&#8217;s FutureMAP program was handled by the <a title="Iowa Electronic Markets" href="http://www.biz.uiowa.edu/iem/">Iowa Electronic Markets</a> and was intended to predict the SARS pandemic. (This project later gave birth to <a title="Flu prediction markets" href="http://fluprediction.uiowa.edu/">IEM&#8217;s Influenza Prediction Market</a>.)</p>
<p><strong>#6. James Surowiecki&#8217;s <em>The Wisdom Of Crowds</em></strong></p>
<p>a) <a title="James Surowiecki's book, The Wisdom Of Crowds" href="http://www.randomhouse.com/features/wisdomofcrowds/">James Surowiecki&#8217;s book, <em>The Wisdom Of Crowds</em></a>, was published in 2004.</p>
<p>b) <a title="Comments on Midas Oracle" href="http://www.midasoracle.org/2007/01/24/email-interview-ken-kittlitz/#comment-761">Impact of <em>The Wisdom Of Crowds</em></a>.</p>
<p><strong>#7. Recent Public Prediction Exchanges (Betting Exchanges, Event Derivative Exchanges) and Inventors/Innovators/Entrepreneurs</strong></p>
<p>a) US-based and US-regulated <a title="HedgeStreet" href="http://www.hedgestreet.com/">HedgeStreet</a> was launched <strong>in 2004</strong> by John Nafeh, Russell Andersson, and Ursula Burger. A designated contract market (DCM) and a registered derivatives clearing organization (DCO), <a title="HedgeStreet" href="http://www.hedgestreet.com/">HedgeStreet</a> is subject to regulatory oversight by the Commodity Futures Trading Commission (CFTC). In November 2006, IG Group bought HedgeStreet for $6 million.</p>
<p>b) <a title="Inkling Markets" href="http://www.inklingmarkets.com/">Inkling Markets</a> was launched <strong>in March 2006</strong> and co-pioneered (with CrowdIQ, which later bellied up) the concept of <strong>DIY, play-money prediction markets.</strong></p>
<p>c) <strong>In September 2006</strong>, TradeSports-InTrade was the first prediction exchange (betting exchange, event futures exchange) to <a title="X Groups: Has this concept ever been applied somewhere?" href="http://www.midasoracle.org/">apply</a> Chris Masse&#8217;s concept of <a title="X Groups" href="http://www.midasoracle.org/category/x-groups/">X Groups</a>. See: <a title="TradeSports prediction markets on Bush approval ratings" href="http://www.midasoracle.org/2006/09/26/tradesports-prediction-markets-on-bush-approval-ratings/">TradeSports-InTrade prediction markets on Bush approval ratings</a>.</p>
<p>d) <a title="HubDub" href="http://hubdub.com/">HubDub</a> was launched <strong>in early 2008</strong> and is the second most popular play-money prediction exchange, behind HSX.</p>
<p><strong>#8. Enterprise Prediction Markets</strong></p>
<p>a) Until evidence of the contrary, it seems that Robin Hanson was <strong>the first to set up and run a corporate prediction exchange</strong> &#8212;at Xanadu, Inc., in April 1989. See: <a title="A 1990 Corporate Prediction Market" href="http://www.midasoracle.org/2006/11/23/a-1990-corporate-prediction-market/">A 1990 Corporate Prediction Market</a> + <a title="Anonymity is important for employees trading on internal prediction markets." href="http://www.midasoracle.org/2007/02/10/anonymity-is-important-for-employees-trading-on-internal-prediction-markets/">Anonymity is important for employees trading on internal prediction markets</a>.</p>
<p>b) In the <strong>1996&#8211;1999</strong> period, <strong>HP</strong> ran a series of internal prediction markets to forecast the sales of its printers.</p>
<p>c) <strong>Eli Lilly</strong> sponsored 10 public, industry-level prediction markets in <strong>April 2003</strong> (on the <a title="NewsFutures" href="http://us.newsfutures.com/">NewsFutures</a> prediction exchange).</p>
<p>d) <strong>Eli Lilly</strong> began using internal prediction markets in <strong>February 2004</strong> (powered by <a title="NewsFutures" href="http://www.newsfutures.com/">NewsFutures</a>).</p>
<p>e) <strong>Google</strong>&#8216;s Bo Cowgill <a title="Putting crowd wisdom to work" href="http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2005/09/putting-crowd-wisdom-to-work.html">published about their use of internal prediction markets in <strong>October 2005</strong></a><strong>.</strong></p>
<p>f) Since then, many companies selling <a title="Software for prediction markets" href="http://www.midasoracle.org/predictions/software/">software services for enterprise prediction markets</a> have been created.</p>
<p><strong>#9. Disputes Between Traders And Exchanges</strong></p>
<p>a) The scandal of <a title="NKM Scandal" href="http://www.midasoracle.org/predictions/">the North Korean Missile prediction market</a> that erupted in July 2006 is, as of today, the biggest scandal that rocked the field of prediction markets.</p>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My responses to a set of questions Chris Masse recently emailed to me:</p>
<p><em><strong>Chris. F. Masse: </strong>Ken Kittlitz, you co-founded the <a href="http://www.ideosphere.com" title="www.ideosphere.com">Foresight Exchange</a> (it went by the name &#8220;Idea Futures&#8221; at the time) in 1994. Would you mind telling me two words on your co-founders? Which ones brought the most into the project? Are you still in touch with them? Do you know what they have become?</em></p>
<p><strong> </strong><strong>Ken Kittlitz</strong>: David McFadzean got the ball rolling by bringing one of Robin Hanson&#8217;s early prediction market papers to our weekly discussion group.  Sean Morgan realized that the WWW, then still in its infancy, would be a great way to create such a market. Mark James, along with Sean, did most of the coding of the initial prototype. Duane Hewitt and myself did most of the work on a paper and presentation that our group presented at a conference the following year.</p>
<p><strong> </strong>I&#8217;m still in touch only with David; he&#8217;s currently a software architect at <a href="http://www.quic.com/" title="quic.com">QuIC</a>, a company that creates financial risk analysis/mitigation products.</p>
<p><strong> </strong><strong><em>CFM:</em></strong><em> What was the spirit of your group at that time (in 1994). Did &#8220;entrepreneurship&#8221; mean something for you, guys? Did you envision a commercial venture, or was it just collegians&#8217; play?</em></p>
<p><strong> </strong><strong> KK: </strong>Our weekly discussion group was known as the &#8220;BS Group&#8221;  (Biological Simulation, in case you&#8217;re wondering), so I&#8217;d have to admit that &#8220;collegians&#8217; play&#8221; is a fair summary. In 1995, we did try to turn it into a commercial venture, which quickly revealed our lack of business experience.  We were all techies of one sort or another, and techies often struggle in the business realm.</p>
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<p><em><strong>CFM:</strong> Would you mind telling me two words on GMU professor <a href="http://hanson.gmu.edu/" title="Robin Hanson">Robin Hanson</a>? How would you introduce him to some of our readers (I pity them) who have never heard of him?</em></p>
<p><strong>KK:</strong> Robin&#8217;s one of the smartest people I&#8217;ve ever met and, unlike many smart people, not over-specialized. He has deep understanding of a number of fields: artificial intelligence, physics, economics and likely a few others I&#8217;m not aware of.  He has a habit of coming up with <a href="http://hanson.gmu.edu/wildideas.html" title="Robin's wild ideas">fascinating, controversial ideas</a>, prediction markets being just one example.</p>
<p><em><strong>CFM</strong>: You co-founded this play-money prediction exchange (Foresight Exchange) in 1994. In 1999/2000, Andrew Black and Edward Wray created and launched BetFair in England. BetFair became one of the most successful British start-ups and its two co-founders are now sitting pretty on a small fortune. In hindsight, don&#8217;t you think that you should have moved to the U.K. and incorporated the Foresight Exchange there, using real money?</em></p>
<p><strong>KK</strong>: In hindsight, I think that I should have done a massively-leveraged short sale of NASDAQ stocks in March, 2000. <img src='http://www.midasoracle.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>The best way forward is always hard to identify, even with tools like prediction markets&#8230;</p>
<p>When we tried to commercialize the original &#8220;Idea Futures&#8221;, starting a real-money market offshore was certainly something we considered &#8212; though at that point, somewhere in the Caribbean seemed the likely venue. Even back then, it seemed likely that prediction markets would be considered a form of gambling, and hence subject to draconian restrictions. The Caribbean can be a nice place to live, but the prospect of never being able to return to North America to visit family and friends was quite a disincentive.</p>
<p><em><strong>CFM</strong>: One thing that strikes me when visiting the Foresight Exchange is that you forbid sports prediction markets, which are very popular on the betting exchanges. Even Bo Cowgill&#8217;s group of Googlers trade on sports, sometimes &#8212;I believe. Sports trading can be fun. Are you a jock hater?</em></p>
<p><strong>KK</strong>: Not really, but the <a href="http://www.ideosphere.com" title="ideosphere.com">Foresight Exchange</a> was created primarily to focus on science and technology claims. Having it cluttered with a couple of dozen &#8220;tonight&#8217;s game&#8221; claims per day wasn&#8217;t too appealing.</p>
<p><em><strong>CFM</strong>: If I can count, you have more than 12 years of experience in the field of prediction markets. You&#8217;ve seen them all, in all colors and shapes. Do you agree with what Robin Hanson said at the <a href="http://www.midasoracle.org/2006/12/14/prediction-markets-tapping-the-wisdom-of-crowds/" title="Mini-conference on prediction markets">Yahoo! Confab</a>, namely that the DARPA&#8217;s PAM scandal ignited interest in corporate prediction markets? Was the PAM scandal a &#8220;tipping point&#8221;?</em></p>
<p><strong>KK</strong>: No.  I think the real tipping point was the publication of James Surowiecki&#8217;s <a href="http://www.randomhouse.com/features/wisdomofcrowds/" title="Wisdom of Crowds">&#8220;The Wisdom of Crowds&#8221;</a>.  Those of us interested in prediction markets tend to overestimate the <a href="http://hanson.gmu.edu/policyanalysismarket.html" title="The Policy Analysis Market (and FutureMAP) Archive">PAM</a> controversy&#8217;s importance;  it was a big deal for us, but only an incremental step in the general public&#8217;s awareness of the topic. The interest generated by Surowiecki&#8217;s book showed that prediction markets had &#8220;arrived&#8221; &#8212; they weren&#8217;t just of academic interest, but instead had real-world applicability.</p>
<p><em><strong> CFM</strong>: Note that the DARPA&#8217;s PAM prediction markets was to be public. Which leads to my next question. You and partner David Perry at Consensus Point help Fortune-500 companies setting up and running their own internal prediction markets. Have you ever had the case where one firm opened its corporate prediction markets to contractors and clients?</em></p>
<p><strong>KK</strong>: Some of the firms we deal with are certainly interested in having a fairly wide audience, including customers and contractors, for their markets.  I can&#8217;t go into specifics at the moment, however.</p>
<p><em><strong>CFM</strong>: How is Consensus Point doing, so far? Can you draw for us the portrait of the firm that wants to use internal prediction markets? Is it always to forecast sales? Do you sense that the requests come from senior executives or from mid-level prediction markets-enthusiast managers?</em></p>
<p><strong>KK</strong>: <a href="http://www.consensuspoint.com" title="Consensus Point">Consensus Point</a> is doing very well so far. A lot of inquiries do indeed originate from mid-level managers and researchers, but a fair number also come from the executive level. Sales forecasting is a popular application of the market, but project completion times and commodity price forecasting have also proved to be frequent questions.</p>
<p><em><strong>CFM</strong>: Sorry to ask you this question bluntly. Would TradeSports and Betfair make great competitors of Consensus Point if ever they decided one day to sell prediction market services to organizations?</em></p>
<p><strong>KK</strong>: Quite possibly, but it&#8217;s certainly not a given.  Both companies have great trading platforms, but their expertise is in running real-money, public markets.  Corporations aren&#8217;t really looking for that sort of domain knowledge when considering how to implement and use a prediction market.</p>
<p><em><strong>CFM</strong>: Would you mind describing in a few words the prediction market services you sell? I guess it&#8217;s web-hosted CDA, but are some firms interested in web-hosted MSR?</em></p>
<p><strong>KK</strong>: We offer both hosted and on-site installations of our software, as well as training, analysis and consulting services. As for MSR versus CDA, see below.</p>
<p><em><strong>CFM</strong>: Speaking of Market Scoring Rules, why did you decide to use this design as the engine for the <a href="http://www.thewsx.com/" title="WSX">Washington Stock Exchange</a>? What is its main competitive advantage to CDA? How can MSR best be described: &#8220;betting&#8221; or &#8220;simplified trading&#8221;?</em></p>
<p><strong>KK</strong>: The line between an MSR and a CDA is thinner than you might think! We have a market maker for each stock that provides liquidity by placing bid and ask orders; this is a convenient way of implementing an MSR within a CDA framework. An MSR really helps to start (and keep) the market going, because people always have a price they can buy or sell at.  With an unadorned CDA, the bid/ask spread can be enormous, and trading volumes very thin.  This alas, is often the case on the <a href="http://www.ideosphere.com" title="www.ideosphere.com">Foresight Exchange</a>.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d describe an MSR as allowing for &#8220;simplified trading&#8221; rather than &#8220;betting&#8221;, though I suppose it depends on how much thought the person interacting with it puts in!</p>
<p><em><strong>CFM</strong>: Just curious. When a prediction exchange decides to use MSR, does it have to pay fees or royalties to its inventor, Robin Hanson?</em></p>
<p><strong>KK</strong>: I don&#8217;t believe so, but Robin is in a far better position to answer that question than I am&#8230;</p>
<p><em><strong>CFM</strong>: What is the biggest mistake (if any) you have made since the grand opening of Consensus Point? What did you learn from this big mistake?</em></p>
<p><strong>KK</strong>: No really big mistakes come to mind.  Of course, such things are often only obvious in retrospect, so ask me again in a few years.</p>
<p><em><strong>CFM</strong>: What are corporate prediction markets competing against (if any)? Internal polls? Groups of in-house experts? The firm&#8217;s executives? Something else?</em></p>
<p><strong>KK</strong>: Generally, the firm&#8217;s executives.  We haven&#8217;t encountered too many cases where firms have been trying to use internal polls as part of their forecasting efforts.</p>
<p><em><strong>CFM</strong>: Are you positive that corporate prediction markets will show something for it? Will the economics literature soon be filled with business cases on how firms can clearly benefit from using internal prediction markets?</em></p>
<p><strong>KK</strong>: Based on my experiences in the field thus far, I&#8217;m confident that prediction markets will prove to compare favorably with the other forecasting methods companies use.  This isn&#8217;t to say that they&#8217;ll always yield good information, or be the best thing to use in all situations, but I think they will turn out to be valuable.</p>
<p>Am I positive of this?  Not absolutely.  But then, I try not to be <em>absolutely </em>positive of anything!</p>
<p><em><strong>CFM</strong>: Now, the question that kills. Tell me frankly. Are corporate prediction markets a &#8220;fad&#8221; or are they just started?</em></p>
<p><strong>KK</strong>: Great question! I think it largely depends on how the prediction market community presents the ideas.  There&#8217;s a very real danger that the topic will be over-hyped and, consequently, ultimately dismissed, just as so many other trendy business ideas have been in the past. Today&#8217;s darling is often tomorrow&#8217;s pariah.  That would be a shame, since (obviously) I think the markets have a lot of merit.</p>
<p>Note by &#8220;prediction market community&#8221;, I&#8217;m referring not only to those who create and sell prediction markets and associated services, but also people who blog about the topic, create vortals, etc.  Not mentioning any names here <img src='http://www.midasoracle.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> .</p>
<p><em><strong>CFM</strong>: Are prediction markets just one forecasting tool, or do they have a bigger function, in your view?</em></p>
<p><strong>KK</strong>: The pragmatist in me says they&#8217;re just one tool, albeit a great one.  The idealist finds something profoundly appealing in their ability to democratize how information is gathered and, ultimately, how decisions are made. The idealist thinks they&#8217;re something more.</p>
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<blockquote><p><span class="style1">A <strong>pioneer</strong> of the prediction market industry, Consensus Point, Inc. began implementing prediction markets <strong>in 1994.</strong> Put our expertise to work for your organization.</span></p></blockquote>
<p><span class="style1">It is factually <em>true</em>. However, it would be better if David Perry mentioned (and linked to) <strong>the <a title="Foresight Exchange" href="http://www.ideosphere.com/">Foresight Exchange</a></strong> (which his business partner <a title="Foresight Exchange co-founder" href="http://www.wendigo.com/">Ken Kittlitz</a> co-founded <strong>in 1994</strong> with </span>Sean Morgan, Mark James, Greg James, David McFadzean and Duane Hewitt<span class="style1">) on this &#8220;about&#8221; page. (Here&#8217;s a pic of David Perry&#8230; hilarious.)<br />
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		<description><![CDATA[This is a copy of the story that I ran on the sidebar blog, in mid-October: =============== From the HSX site feed: Hollywood Stock Exchange is an integrated marketing, research and technology company driven by its patented entertainment stock market, &#8230; <a href="http://www.midasoracle.org/2006/11/23/is-hsx-the-%e2%80%9clongest-continuously-operating-prediction-market%e2%80%9d-redux/">Continue reading <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a title="Is HSX the â€œlongest continuously operating prediction marketâ€???" href="http://www.midasoracle.net/">This is a copy of the story that I ran on the sidebar blog, in mid-October</a>:</p>
<p>===============</p>
<p>From the <a title="HSX" href="http://www.hsx.com/">HSX</a> site feed:</p>
<blockquote><p>Hollywood Stock Exchange is an integrated marketing, research and technology company driven by its patented entertainment stock market, <strong>HSX.com, the longest continuously operating prediction market.</strong></p></blockquote>
<p><strong><em>Reality Check:</em></strong></p>
<p><strong><a href="http://www.ideosphere.com/">Foresight Exchange</a></strong> &#8211; (FX, FSX) &#8211; (Alberta, Canada) â€” URL: <a href="http://www.ideosphere.com/">IdeoSphere</a> &#8211; Alternate URL: <a href="http://www.ideafutures.com/">Idea Futures</a> â€” <strong>Launched in 1994 by <a title="FX co-founder" href="http://www.wendigo.com/">Ken Kittlitz</a>, Sean Morgan, Mark James, Greg James, David McFadzean and Duane Hewitt</strong> â€” Godfathered by Robin Hanson (a prediction market co-inventor)</p>
<p><strong><a href="http://www.hsx.com/">Hollywood Stock Exchange</a></strong> &#8211; (HSX) &#8211; (L.A., California, U.S.A.) â€” URL: <a href="http://www.hsx.com/">HSX</a> â€” <a href="http://movies.hsx.com/">HSX Movies</a> &#8211; <a href="http://www.hsx.com/community/">HSX Community</a> â€” CDA with an automated market maker (AMM) that balances buy/sell orders by generating both buy and sell orders, which keep the market maker in balance as well. â€” <a href="http://www.hsx.com/">HSX</a> is a play-money prediction exchange with a game, IPO-like interface. â€” Owned by <a href="http://www.cantor.com/">Cantor Fitzgerald</a> â€” <strong>Founded in 1996 by Max Keiser and Michael Burns</strong></p>
<p>===============</p>
<p>And, now, here&#8217;s my today&#8217;s blog post:</p>
<p>&#8212;</p>
<p><strong><a title="HSX Site Feed" href="http://movies.hsx.com/hsx_news.xml">The <em>sub-title</em> of the HSX site feed has just been slightly amended to read, now</a>:</strong></p>
<blockquote><p>Hollywood Stock Exchange is an integrated marketing, research and technology company driven by its patented entertainment stock market, <strong>HSX.com, the longest continuously operating <em>commercial</em> prediction market</strong></p></blockquote>
<p>The adjective &#8220;<strong>commercial</strong>&#8221; has been added.</p>
<p>&#8212;</p>
<p><strong><em>My Question:</em></strong> In light of <strong><a title="We should try to be more careful about our distinctions and definitions." href="http://www.midasoracle.org/2006/11/21/prediction-markets-definitions/">Robin Hanson&#8217;s call for the right definitions (&#8220;Prediction Markets Definitions&#8221;, his blog post here, at Midas Oracle)</a></strong>, what do you make of the HSX line?</p>
<p><strong><em>My Answer:</em></strong> Since veterans <a title="IEM" href="http://www.biz.uiowa.edu/iem/">Iowa Electronic Markets</a> and <a href="http://www.ideosphere.com/">Foresight Exchange</a> were (and are still) non-commercial operations, I&#8217;m fine with the brand-new HSX line. (<em>Nota Bene:</em> The for-profit consulting firm Consensus Point was born recently from the Foresight Exchange technology, as you all know.) <strong>I would just prefer the term &#8220;EXCHANGE&#8221;, as in, &#8220;HSX, the longest continuously operating <em>commercial</em> prediction <em>exchange</em>&#8220;.</strong> Let&#8217;s check next month, in December 2006, whether they make another change &#8212;probably not, this time.</p>
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<p><strong><em>MORE LINKS:</em></strong> See <a title="CFM" href="http://www.chrisfmasse.com/">CFM</a> for the complete lists of <a title="List of prediction market consultants" href="http://www.chrisfmasse.com/3/3/consultants/">prediction market consultants</a> and <a title="List of prediction exchanges" href="http://www.chrisfmasse.com/3/3/exchanges/">prediction exchanges</a>. Alternatively, see <a title="Policy Markets" href="http://www.aei-brookings.org/policymarkets/">AEI-Brookings&#8217;s mini-directory</a> or the <a title="Prediction Markets" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prediction_market">Wikipedia entry on prediction markets</a>.</p>
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<p><strong>HAPPY THANKSGIVING. GOBBLE, GOBBLE.</strong></p>
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<p><strong><em>Addendum (November 29):</em></strong> Chris Hibbert has posted a comment&#8230;</p>
<blockquote><p><strong>The precursor to the Foresight Exchange (FX), was known as IF (for â€œIdea Futuresâ€). IF was created in 1994, and the transition to FX happened in July 1996, according to my mail archives. So I would say that the veracity of HSXâ€™s claim to be the longest CONTINUOUSLY OPERATING exchange depends on whether they started before or after July 24, 1996.</strong> The transition from IF to FX attempted to maintain account balances and markets that were already in operation, but there were some glitches.</p>
<p>Others might point to the fact that they did maintain account balances and running markets through the transition (however rocky the transition might have been) to say that <strong>FX is a continuously operating successor to IF</strong>, no different than any other software rev.</p></blockquote>
<p>&#8212;</p>
<p><strong><em>Addendum 2 (November 29):</em></strong> I got it from the Horse&#8217;s mouth that &#8220;<strong>HSX was founded on April 12, 1996</strong>&#8220;.</p>
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<p><strong><em>Addendum 3 (November 29):</em></strong> <a title="FX" href="http://www.wendigo.com/">Ken Kittlitz</a>, the co-founder of the Foresight Exchange, has sent me this clarification&#8230;</p>
<blockquote><p><strong>The transition from IF to FX occurred on July 4th, 1996. We preserved as much data as we could, including all open claims, the entire ticker history, and a fair number of user accounts. As Chris notes, the transition was somewhat rocky. However, <em>I consider it an upgrade to the original system rather than the creation of a distinct new system</em>.</strong></p></blockquote>
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