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	<title>Comments on: Never try to divine the IOC decisions on Olympics venues, Mike.</title>
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		<title>By: Chris F. Masse</title>
		<link>http://www.midasoracle.org/2009/10/06/chicago-olympics-international-olympic-committee/#comment-27309</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris F. Masse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 20:52:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Yes, Chicago received the lowest number of votes in the first round&quot;

In an ideal world, the prediction market traders should have been informed about the low esteem of the Chicago candidacy. They were not. They were duped by the mass media who misinformed them.

Rio and Madrid were in fact the 2 strong candidates. Chicago and Tokyo were the losers.

In this kind of 3-round contest, you need to be ahead of the pack and attract more supporters in the next rounds.

Chicago was the worst candidate. THE WORST. Nevertheless, the prediction markets favored Chicago. The IOC is an opaque organization.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Yes, Chicago received the lowest number of votes in the first round&#8221;</p>
<p>In an ideal world, the prediction market traders should have been informed about the low esteem of the Chicago candidacy. They were not. They were duped by the mass media who misinformed them.</p>
<p>Rio and Madrid were in fact the 2 strong candidates. Chicago and Tokyo were the losers.</p>
<p>In this kind of 3-round contest, you need to be ahead of the pack and attract more supporters in the next rounds.</p>
<p>Chicago was the worst candidate. THE WORST. Nevertheless, the prediction markets favored Chicago. The IOC is an opaque organization.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Giberson</title>
		<link>http://www.midasoracle.org/2009/10/06/chicago-olympics-international-olympic-committee/#comment-27308</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Giberson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 19:41:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not a huge difference in the first round.  If just 5 of the Rio supporters in the first round had selected Chicago instead, Rio is out first and Chicago probably wins everything.  That is just 5 votes changed out of 94 votes submitted in the round.  A handful of IOC voters didn&#039;t cast a vote in Round 1, and had they shown up for Chicago we&#039;d be discussing something else today.

The prediction markets were very clear: either Rio or Chicago would be chosen; Madrid was not going to be chosen, Tokyo was not going to be chosen.  (And also the UK betting houses, which suggest similar probable outcomes: either Rio of Chicago.)  The Chicago bet was a risky bet that offered to pay at 2-to-1 if it won.  Rio at 45 was similarly a risky bet paying off just better than 2-to-1.  Together they were nearly a sure thing - this is the information that the prediction market prices shows.

Yes, Chicago received the lowest number of votes in the first round, but that doesn&#039;t mean it was the least likely outcome of the voting process.  Neither Madrid nor Toyko gained much in the second and third round ballots.  They each had about 1/4 of the voters, and that was all they were going to get.  We don&#039;t know what would have happened had Rio been knocked out in the first round, but it is plausible to think that Madrid and Toyko remain stuck at about 1/4 each and Chicago emerges as the selection.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not a huge difference in the first round.  If just 5 of the Rio supporters in the first round had selected Chicago instead, Rio is out first and Chicago probably wins everything.  That is just 5 votes changed out of 94 votes submitted in the round.  A handful of IOC voters didn&#8217;t cast a vote in Round 1, and had they shown up for Chicago we&#8217;d be discussing something else today.</p>
<p>The prediction markets were very clear: either Rio or Chicago would be chosen; Madrid was not going to be chosen, Tokyo was not going to be chosen.  (And also the UK betting houses, which suggest similar probable outcomes: either Rio of Chicago.)  The Chicago bet was a risky bet that offered to pay at 2-to-1 if it won.  Rio at 45 was similarly a risky bet paying off just better than 2-to-1.  Together they were nearly a sure thing &#8211; this is the information that the prediction market prices shows.</p>
<p>Yes, Chicago received the lowest number of votes in the first round, but that doesn&#8217;t mean it was the least likely outcome of the voting process.  Neither Madrid nor Toyko gained much in the second and third round ballots.  They each had about 1/4 of the voters, and that was all they were going to get.  We don&#8217;t know what would have happened had Rio been knocked out in the first round, but it is plausible to think that Madrid and Toyko remain stuck at about 1/4 each and Chicago emerges as the selection.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris F. Masse</title>
		<link>http://www.midasoracle.org/2009/10/06/chicago-olympics-international-olympic-committee/#comment-27305</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris F. Masse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 15:54:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Chicago bid received the lowest number of votes. Yet, it had the highest probability according to the prediction markets. The only explanation is that the prediction market traders were not well informed. Period.

Paul Hewitt has the best analysis:
http://www.midasoracle.org/2009/10/06/olympics-chicago-paul-hewitt/
http://www.midasoracle.org/2009/10/06/17849/#comment-27306</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Chicago bid received the lowest number of votes. Yet, it had the highest probability according to the prediction markets. The only explanation is that the prediction market traders were not well informed. Period.</p>
<p>Paul Hewitt has the best analysis:<br />
<a href="http://www.midasoracle.org/2009/10/06/olympics-chicago-paul-hewitt/" rel="nofollow">http://www.midasoracle.org/2009/10/06/olympics-chicago-paul-hewitt/</a><br />
<a href="http://www.midasoracle.org/2009/10/06/17849/#comment-27306" rel="nofollow">http://www.midasoracle.org/2009/10/06/17849/#comment-27306</a></p>
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		<title>By: Chris F. Masse</title>
		<link>http://www.midasoracle.org/2009/10/06/chicago-olympics-international-olympic-committee/#comment-27304</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris F. Masse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 15:48:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What you explain plays against your thesis, since the traders should have transformed this first-round incertitude into cautious probabilities. They did not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What you explain plays against your thesis, since the traders should have transformed this first-round incertitude into cautious probabilities. They did not.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris F. Masse</title>
		<link>http://www.midasoracle.org/2009/10/06/chicago-olympics-international-olympic-committee/#comment-27303</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris F. Masse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 15:33:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chicago got 18 votes and Rio got 26 votes in the first round. That is a huge difference, reflecting may bits of information that the traders had not been informed about.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chicago got 18 votes and Rio got 26 votes in the first round. That is a huge difference, reflecting may bits of information that the traders had not been informed about.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris F. Masse</title>
		<link>http://www.midasoracle.org/2009/10/06/chicago-olympics-international-olympic-committee/#comment-27302</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris F. Masse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 15:30:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Humm...

The fact is that the InTrade and BetFair probabilities should have reflected Chicago&#039;s true chance. If it was a toss up between Rio and Chicago in the first round, and then a fight in the second and third round, the Chicago probabilities should have reflected that. They did not, because the prediction market traders were not informed well enough.
http://www.midasoracle.org/2009/10/06/17849/

Let&#039;s set up a poll to see what readers think.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Humm&#8230;</p>
<p>The fact is that the InTrade and BetFair probabilities should have reflected Chicago&#8217;s true chance. If it was a toss up between Rio and Chicago in the first round, and then a fight in the second and third round, the Chicago probabilities should have reflected that. They did not, because the prediction market traders were not informed well enough.<br />
<a href="http://www.midasoracle.org/2009/10/06/17849/" rel="nofollow">http://www.midasoracle.org/2009/10/06/17849/</a></p>
<p>Let&#8217;s set up a poll to see what readers think.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Giberson</title>
		<link>http://www.midasoracle.org/2009/10/06/chicago-olympics-international-olympic-committee/#comment-27301</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Giberson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 13:40:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chris, my response awaits you: &lt;a href=&quot;http://knowledgeproblem.com/2009/10/06/did-prediction-markets-miss-chicagos-olympic-chance/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://knowledgeproblem.com/2009/10/06/did-prediction-markets-miss-chicagos-olympic-chance/&lt;/a&gt;.

I&#039;m persuaded by &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.sabernomics.com/sabernomics/index.php/2009/10/did-prediction-markets-get-chicago-wrong/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;J.C. Bradbury&#039;s remarks&lt;/a&gt; at Sabernomics.  Much better analysis than anything I&#039;ve seen on the subject &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.midasoracle.org&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;elsewhere.&lt;/a&gt;  You should study his analysis more closely.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris, my response awaits you: <a href="http://knowledgeproblem.com/2009/10/06/did-prediction-markets-miss-chicagos-olympic-chance/" rel="nofollow">http://knowledgeproblem.com/2009/10/06/did-prediction-markets-miss-chicagos-olympic-chance/</a>.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m persuaded by <a href="http://www.sabernomics.com/sabernomics/index.php/2009/10/did-prediction-markets-get-chicago-wrong/" rel="nofollow">J.C. Bradbury&#8217;s remarks</a> at Sabernomics.  Much better analysis than anything I&#8217;ve seen on the subject <a href="http://www.midasoracle.org" rel="nofollow">elsewhere.</a>  You should study his analysis more closely.</p>
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