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	<title>Comments on: What Robin Hanson didn&#8217;t tell you about collective forecasting</title>
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		<title>By: Chris F. Masse</title>
		<link>http://www.midasoracle.org/2009/05/26/what-robin-hanson-didnt-tell-you-about-collective-forecasting/#comment-24112</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris F. Masse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 May 2009 14:39:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;So, this is the consensus:&quot;
This was not the consensus. This was my thoughts.

&quot;Just because it takes â€œtimeâ€ to perform an operation does not exclude it as a useful tool.&quot;
Collective forecasting can only be generated on the back of traditional forecasting (polls, forecats by experts, etc.). It takes time.

&quot;Was it not you that said the value of prediction markets is in their speed?&quot;
If you read what I said, I was speaking on the comparison prediction markets versus mass media.

&quot;Regarding objectivity, who cares how objective it is, if it concerns the wrong answer?&quot;
Same for many other forecasting techniques, I guess.

&quot;Presumably, â€œcollective forecastingâ€ will be listed as a sub-category of â€œtraditional forecastingâ€. Where will you put the weather?&quot;

Forecasting =
- traditional forecasting (polls, predictive modeling, etc.)
- collective forecasting (using collective intelligence, information aggregation).
Weather forecasting is part of traditional forecasting. &quot;Traditional&quot; as opposed to using collective intelligence, a new thing, that can be harnessed thanks to the Web ---a new thing that maybe you have heard of. :-D

I am looking forward to your blog posts about all that. Don&#039;t hesitate to be libelous.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;So, this is the consensus:&#8221;<br />
This was not the consensus. This was my thoughts.</p>
<p>&#8220;Just because it takes â€œtimeâ€ to perform an operation does not exclude it as a useful tool.&#8221;<br />
Collective forecasting can only be generated on the back of traditional forecasting (polls, forecats by experts, etc.). It takes time.</p>
<p>&#8220;Was it not you that said the value of prediction markets is in their speed?&#8221;<br />
If you read what I said, I was speaking on the comparison prediction markets versus mass media.</p>
<p>&#8220;Regarding objectivity, who cares how objective it is, if it concerns the wrong answer?&#8221;<br />
Same for many other forecasting techniques, I guess.</p>
<p>&#8220;Presumably, â€œcollective forecastingâ€ will be listed as a sub-category of â€œtraditional forecastingâ€. Where will you put the weather?&#8221;</p>
<p>Forecasting =<br />
- traditional forecasting (polls, predictive modeling, etc.)<br />
- collective forecasting (using collective intelligence, information aggregation).<br />
Weather forecasting is part of traditional forecasting. &#8220;Traditional&#8221; as opposed to using collective intelligence, a new thing, that can be harnessed thanks to the Web &#8212;a new thing that maybe you have heard of. <img src='http://www.midasoracle.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':-D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I am looking forward to your blog posts about all that. Don&#8217;t hesitate to be libelous.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Hewitt</title>
		<link>http://www.midasoracle.org/2009/05/26/what-robin-hanson-didnt-tell-you-about-collective-forecasting/#comment-24111</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Hewitt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 May 2009 12:49:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Chris...

So, this is the consensus:
&quot;   1. Collective forecasting brings an added accuracy that is microscopic â€”if any.
   2. Collective forecasting brings objectivity â€”which people but us donâ€™t value.
   3. It takes time to perform the information aggregation, which disqualifies collective forecasting as a useful tool&quot;?

Personally, I disagree with all three.  Just because it takes &quot;time&quot; to perform an operation does not exclude it as a useful tool.  Are we to only pick the low lying fruit?  Was it not you that said the value of prediction markets is in their speed (I&#039;m assuming you meant less time)?

Regarding objectivity, who cares how objective it is, if it concerns the wrong answer?  Regarding accuracy, I partially agree with you (*given the present state of PM development*), but I believe it is something that can be improved significantly, with adherence to &quot;first principles&quot;.

Presumably, &quot;collective forecasting&quot; will be listed as a sub-category of &quot;traditional forecasting&quot;.  Where will you put the weather?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Chris&#8230;</p>
<p>So, this is the consensus:<br />
&#8221;   1. Collective forecasting brings an added accuracy that is microscopic â€”if any.<br />
   2. Collective forecasting brings objectivity â€”which people but us donâ€™t value.<br />
   3. It takes time to perform the information aggregation, which disqualifies collective forecasting as a useful tool&#8221;?</p>
<p>Personally, I disagree with all three.  Just because it takes &#8220;time&#8221; to perform an operation does not exclude it as a useful tool.  Are we to only pick the low lying fruit?  Was it not you that said the value of prediction markets is in their speed (I&#8217;m assuming you meant less time)?</p>
<p>Regarding objectivity, who cares how objective it is, if it concerns the wrong answer?  Regarding accuracy, I partially agree with you (*given the present state of PM development*), but I believe it is something that can be improved significantly, with adherence to &#8220;first principles&#8221;.</p>
<p>Presumably, &#8220;collective forecasting&#8221; will be listed as a sub-category of &#8220;traditional forecasting&#8221;.  Where will you put the weather?</p>
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