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	<title>Comments on: Regulated U.S. election markets might not be so hard.</title>
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		<title>By: Medemi</title>
		<link>http://www.midasoracle.org/2008/08/03/regulated-us-election-markets-might-not-be-so-hard/#comment-21157</link>
		<dc:creator>Medemi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Aug 2008 17:25:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good morning America.

It's sunday today, so I guess applying for a job at McDonald's is out of the question. Perhaps we could try and revive the prediction market industry ?
For those who are against gambling/sports markets I have a deal to offer. The Australian model, meaning no in-running betting. That should take care of the dark side of betting to a large degree. Your fears, I have to admit it, are justified. In-running sports gambling, what it essentially does is give the punter an opportunity to fleece his opponent. Before you know it, most people will tolerate this kind of behaviour and you're stuck with a rip-off society, the mentality we can witness today in the UK. This is not America. 
I'll admit it, but you have to do something for me. Rid yourselves of your biased beliefs that gambling is bad. It's not. Consumer protection and betting integrity are key, and that's where our focus should be. And it sure looks like you need the jobs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good morning America.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s sunday today, so I guess applying for a job at McDonald&#8217;s is out of the question. Perhaps we could try and revive the prediction market industry ?<br />
For those who are against gambling/sports markets I have a deal to offer. The Australian model, meaning no in-running betting. That should take care of the dark side of betting to a large degree. Your fears, I have to admit it, are justified. In-running sports gambling, what it essentially does is give the punter an opportunity to fleece his opponent. Before you know it, most people will tolerate this kind of behaviour and you&#8217;re stuck with a rip-off society, the mentality we can witness today in the UK. This is not America.<br />
I&#8217;ll admit it, but you have to do something for me. Rid yourselves of your biased beliefs that gambling is bad. It&#8217;s not. Consumer protection and betting integrity are key, and that&#8217;s where our focus should be. And it sure looks like you need the jobs.</p>
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		<title>By: Medemi</title>
		<link>http://www.midasoracle.org/2008/08/03/regulated-us-election-markets-might-not-be-so-hard/#comment-21154</link>
		<dc:creator>Medemi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Aug 2008 14:16:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, now that we have had the debate (and no-one seems to disagree), done our research, when are we going to get this show on the road ? I heard you Americans were so quick to adapt to changing environments.
Meanwhile I'll just open an account with Intrade and see whether I can so some damage to the market makers there. It'll also be interesting to know how long I can survive on their forum...
Binary options, a transaction fee, it looks like my prairs have been answered. And John seems like a decent bloke.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, now that we have had the debate (and no-one seems to disagree), done our research, when are we going to get this show on the road ? I heard you Americans were so quick to adapt to changing environments.<br />
Meanwhile I&#8217;ll just open an account with Intrade and see whether I can so some damage to the market makers there. It&#8217;ll also be interesting to know how long I can survive on their forum&#8230;<br />
Binary options, a transaction fee, it looks like my prairs have been answered. And John seems like a decent bloke.</p>
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		<title>By: Medemi</title>
		<link>http://www.midasoracle.org/2008/08/03/regulated-us-election-markets-might-not-be-so-hard/#comment-21152</link>
		<dc:creator>Medemi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Aug 2008 12:52:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Affirmative.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Affirmative.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris F. Masse</title>
		<link>http://www.midasoracle.org/2008/08/03/regulated-us-election-markets-might-not-be-so-hard/#comment-21151</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris F. Masse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Aug 2008 12:39:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Medemi,
I have suppressed the anti-spam plugins. Now people need to register themselves and log in to get to comment. Is it better form your standpoint?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Medemi,<br />
I have suppressed the anti-spam plugins. Now people need to register themselves and log in to get to comment. Is it better form your standpoint?</p>
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		<title>By: Medemi</title>
		<link>http://www.midasoracle.org/2008/08/03/regulated-us-election-markets-might-not-be-so-hard/#comment-21147</link>
		<dc:creator>Medemi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Aug 2008 09:46:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;I just want to test if how market balance corresponds to error based on closing prices.&lt;/em&gt;
Sounds good.

&lt;em&gt;...so it is unclear how to interpret...
&lt;/em&gt;Hypothesis stated. Hypothesis confirmed (by me). No need to trouble your mind with contaminated data and an inborn urge to try and make sense of the world we live in.

However, our inability to interpret unbalanced prices or markets doesn't mean there is no value in them. On the contrary, it will act as a warning sign (nothing more). People will still trade these markets, but they have been warned.
There's a third possibility btw - the crowd could have misinterpreted the rules on a specific market causing said market to go off-balance when one or a few traders decide to cash in. There could be other reasons too, but the signal remains the same and is still a valid one - "Trader beware, there could be something funny about this market". If that's how we're going to regulate these markets and provide protection for the consumer, I will settle for it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>I just want to test if how market balance corresponds to error based on closing prices.</em><br />
Sounds good.</p>
<p><em>&#8230;so it is unclear how to interpret&#8230;<br />
</em>Hypothesis stated. Hypothesis confirmed (by me). No need to trouble your mind with contaminated data and an inborn urge to try and make sense of the world we live in.</p>
<p>However, our inability to interpret unbalanced prices or markets doesn&#8217;t mean there is no value in them. On the contrary, it will act as a warning sign (nothing more). People will still trade these markets, but they have been warned.<br />
There&#8217;s a third possibility btw - the crowd could have misinterpreted the rules on a specific market causing said market to go off-balance when one or a few traders decide to cash in. There could be other reasons too, but the signal remains the same and is still a valid one - &#8220;Trader beware, there could be something funny about this market&#8221;. If that&#8217;s how we&#8217;re going to regulate these markets and provide protection for the consumer, I will settle for it.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason Ruspini</title>
		<link>http://www.midasoracle.org/2008/08/03/regulated-us-election-markets-might-not-be-so-hard/#comment-21145</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason Ruspini</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Aug 2008 21:13:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just want to test if how market balance corresponds to error based on closing prices.  Sometimes it will reflect manipulation or overconfidence and other times the "smart money" or insiders, so it is unclear how to interpret if unbalanced prices are not significantly different from relatively balances ones.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just want to test if how market balance corresponds to error based on closing prices.  Sometimes it will reflect manipulation or overconfidence and other times the &#8220;smart money&#8221; or insiders, so it is unclear how to interpret if unbalanced prices are not significantly different from relatively balances ones.</p>
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		<title>By: medemi</title>
		<link>http://www.midasoracle.org/2008/08/03/regulated-us-election-markets-might-not-be-so-hard/#comment-21123</link>
		<dc:creator>medemi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 06:17:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jason,

I'm not sure what it is you want to test, since you don't have to force people to look at the information we are talking about. It should be available though, for those traders who want some protection against insider trading and market manipulation. We first need to convince the operator, or better yet the regulators, of the value of this information and the value in general of being transparent in the market place. Then we need to be smart and chose a sensible formula/metric.

Usually markets will be balanced, meaning that there are about as many traders laying as backing (a relatively small amount of money). On rare occasions though you'll find one person laying or backing huge amounts of money, taking the market off-balance, which could be represented by a number like 4% or 96% when the ideal market would give us 50%. People don't have to look at that information. That goes especially for people who want to allow the insiders to trade freely on these markets. :-D Let THEM be fleeced.

It should be noted we now have at least three sources of information which will help the trader.
- An indication whether markets are on- or off-balance (your idea) to provide protection.
- Provide feedback to customers on traders' track record (recently discussed) for more accurate markets.
- Something to do with destination invariant funds and liability (Adonis' idea) to boost betting integrity which I'm sure he will get back to, some day.

This points out to me the importance of transparency in the market place, which will benefit all parties involved, except the cheats. That's our goal, isn't it ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jason,</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure what it is you want to test, since you don&#8217;t have to force people to look at the information we are talking about. It should be available though, for those traders who want some protection against insider trading and market manipulation. We first need to convince the operator, or better yet the regulators, of the value of this information and the value in general of being transparent in the market place. Then we need to be smart and chose a sensible formula/metric.</p>
<p>Usually markets will be balanced, meaning that there are about as many traders laying as backing (a relatively small amount of money). On rare occasions though you&#8217;ll find one person laying or backing huge amounts of money, taking the market off-balance, which could be represented by a number like 4% or 96% when the ideal market would give us 50%. People don&#8217;t have to look at that information. That goes especially for people who want to allow the insiders to trade freely on these markets. <img src='http://www.midasoracle.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':-D' class='wp-smiley' /> Let THEM be fleeced.</p>
<p>It should be noted we now have at least three sources of information which will help the trader.<br />
- An indication whether markets are on- or off-balance (your idea) to provide protection.<br />
- Provide feedback to customers on traders&#8217; track record (recently discussed) for more accurate markets.<br />
- Something to do with destination invariant funds and liability (Adonis&#8217; idea) to boost betting integrity which I&#8217;m sure he will get back to, some day.</p>
<p>This points out to me the importance of transparency in the market place, which will benefit all parties involved, except the cheats. That&#8217;s our goal, isn&#8217;t it ?</p>
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		<title>By: Jason Ruspini</title>
		<link>http://www.midasoracle.org/2008/08/03/regulated-us-election-markets-might-not-be-so-hard/#comment-21121</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason Ruspini</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 00:02:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree on the market error metric and clearly if the trader base of Intrade shifts in any way because of legal or regulatory changes, that is a reason to be especially wary of any past results.  Worth testing though..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree on the market error metric and clearly if the trader base of Intrade shifts in any way because of legal or regulatory changes, that is a reason to be especially wary of any past results.  Worth testing though..</p>
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		<title>By: medemi</title>
		<link>http://www.midasoracle.org/2008/08/03/regulated-us-election-markets-might-not-be-so-hard/#comment-21046</link>
		<dc:creator>medemi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Aug 2008 10:51:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It's Word, I think.
Will be buying a new computer shortly. Sorry for bothering you with this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s Word, I think.<br />
Will be buying a new computer shortly. Sorry for bothering you with this.</p>
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		<title>By: medemi</title>
		<link>http://www.midasoracle.org/2008/08/03/regulated-us-election-markets-might-not-be-so-hard/#comment-21045</link>
		<dc:creator>medemi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Aug 2008 10:50:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>this is another test</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>this is another test</p>
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