Comments on: New Betfair bet matching system is a step backwards. http://www.midasoracle.org/2008/03/15/new-betfair-bet-matching-system-is-a-step-backwards/ Prediction Markets + Market Predictions = Collective Forecasting That Pays Off Thu, 18 Mar 2010 13:41:42 -0400 hourly 1 By: Even the stock market doesn’t know how to report prices: Oddhead Blog: Prediction Markets, Gambling, Electronic Commerce, Artificial Intelligence: David Pennock: Yahoo! Research http://www.midasoracle.org/2008/03/15/new-betfair-bet-matching-system-is-a-step-backwards/#comment-21949 Even the stock market doesn’t know how to report prices: Oddhead Blog: Prediction Markets, Gambling, Electronic Commerce, Artificial Intelligence: David Pennock: Yahoo! Research Wed, 01 Oct 2008 14:06:08 +0000 http://www.midasoracle.org/2008/03/15/new-betfair-bet-matching-system-is-a-step-backwards/#comment-21949 [...] to the electoral markets map* and the various controversial revisions at intrade and betfair [1, 2] don’t seem quite so [...] [...] to the electoral markets map* and the various controversial revisions at intrade and betfair [1, 2] don’t seem quite so [...]

]]> By: dean http://www.midasoracle.org/2008/03/15/new-betfair-bet-matching-system-is-a-step-backwards/#comment-18661 dean Fri, 16 May 2008 13:14:16 +0000 http://www.midasoracle.org/2008/03/15/new-betfair-bet-matching-system-is-a-step-backwards/#comment-18661 A betfair facebook app? that sounds about as dangerous as my mobile app when I'm in the pub! Anyway hope you get a response from betfair on this soon! A betfair facebook app? that sounds about as dangerous as my mobile app when I’m in the pub!
Anyway hope you get a response from betfair on this soon!

]]> By: Chris F. Masse http://www.midasoracle.org/2008/03/15/new-betfair-bet-matching-system-is-a-step-backwards/#comment-18257 Chris F. Masse Thu, 01 May 2008 20:47:40 +0000 http://www.midasoracle.org/2008/03/15/new-betfair-bet-matching-system-is-a-step-backwards/#comment-18257 <p>For your information, the discussion on BetFair seems to have moved to this post:</p> <p>http://www.midasoracle.org/2008/04/28/betfair-sports-betting/</p> <p>Conspiracy theorists and BetFair undercover agents are all welcome there. :-D</p> For your information, the discussion on BetFair seems to have moved to this post:

http://www.midasoracle.org/2008/04/28/betfair-sports-betting/

Conspiracy theorists and BetFair undercover agents are all welcome there. :-D

]]> By: medemi http://www.midasoracle.org/2008/03/15/new-betfair-bet-matching-system-is-a-step-backwards/#comment-18188 medemi Mon, 28 Apr 2008 18:32:51 +0000 http://www.midasoracle.org/2008/03/15/new-betfair-bet-matching-system-is-a-step-backwards/#comment-18188 Thanks for the offer Chris. I will be doing more reading than talking in the next couple of days/weeks. There's a lot of stuff on here. Let's see if I can navigate through all of this. When I feel I should register I will send you an e-mail. Thanks for the offer Chris.
I will be doing more reading than talking in the next couple of days/weeks.
There’s a lot of stuff on here. Let’s see if I can navigate through all of this.
When I feel I should register I will send you an e-mail.

]]> By: Chris F. Masse http://www.midasoracle.org/2008/03/15/new-betfair-bet-matching-system-is-a-step-backwards/#comment-18177 Chris F. Masse Mon, 28 Apr 2008 06:44:26 +0000 http://www.midasoracle.org/2008/03/15/new-betfair-bet-matching-system-is-a-step-backwards/#comment-18177 @Rab Bibater: "Sources, who wish to remain nameless" Your "sources" can only be the WordPress system used by Midas Oracle. Or God. @Rab Bibater: “Sources, who wish to remain nameless”
Your “sources” can only be the WordPress system used by Midas Oracle.
Or God.

]]> By: Chris F. Masse http://www.midasoracle.org/2008/03/15/new-betfair-bet-matching-system-is-a-step-backwards/#comment-18176 Chris F. Masse Mon, 28 Apr 2008 06:43:37 +0000 http://www.midasoracle.org/2008/03/15/new-betfair-bet-matching-system-is-a-step-backwards/#comment-18176 @medemi: I agree with your statement that a commenter should disclose his/her interest(s). - Comments were open only to registered users, at the origin, on Midas Oracle. I have recently decided to open the comments to anyone, which is what most blogs do. However, that opens the possiblity for people to come here and spam us (thus my anti-spam plugins that might also catch good people), and for people to come here anonymously (giving a pseudo). - In fact, it's not fully anonymous, because the the administrator sees the IPs of the commenters. I don't monitor this info closely. However, you're seen that "Rab Bibater" (or whoever hides behind that pen name) has access to this info, too. In his recent comment, he claims to have a "source". Well, his "source" is our WordPress software, that's all. Somebody's registered inside Midas Oracle and has the required authorization has access to the comments panel and thus to the IPs. If "Rab Bibater" persists in his approach to unmasking other people, then his access to the IPs can help unmasking him, too. It's just a question of equity. Everybody should be on the same basis, here. - Anyway, that is crazy discussion. - Hey, folks, we're not going to have like 10,000 comments on that page. Taht makes a too long page. Maybe at one point, a new post should be created about BetFair and the discussion would be continued there. (Well, already, we have had other BetFair pages, but people seem to stick to here.) - @medemi: I agree with your statement that a commenter should disclose his/her interest(s).
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Comments were open only to registered users, at the origin, on Midas Oracle. I have recently decided to open the comments to anyone, which is what most blogs do. However, that opens the possiblity for people to come here and spam us (thus my anti-spam plugins that might also catch good people), and for people to come here anonymously (giving a pseudo).
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In fact, it’s not fully anonymous, because the the administrator sees the IPs of the commenters. I don’t monitor this info closely. However, you’re seen that “Rab Bibater” (or whoever hides behind that pen name) has access to this info, too. In his recent comment, he claims to have a “source”. Well, his “source” is our WordPress software, that’s all. Somebody’s registered inside Midas Oracle and has the required authorization has access to the comments panel and thus to the IPs. If “Rab Bibater” persists in his approach to unmasking other people, then his access to the IPs can help unmasking him, too. It’s just a question of equity. Everybody should be on the same basis, here.
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Anyway, that is crazy discussion.
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Hey, folks, we’re not going to have like 10,000 comments on that page. Taht makes a too long page. Maybe at one point, a new post should be created about BetFair and the discussion would be continued there. (Well, already, we have had other BetFair pages, but people seem to stick to here.)
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]]> By: Chris F. Masse http://www.midasoracle.org/2008/03/15/new-betfair-bet-matching-system-is-a-step-backwards/#comment-18175 Chris F. Masse Mon, 28 Apr 2008 06:18:35 +0000 http://www.midasoracle.org/2008/03/15/new-betfair-bet-matching-system-is-a-step-backwards/#comment-18175 @Adonis: I quite agree with your comment. @Adonis: I quite agree with your comment.

]]> By: Chris F. Masse http://www.midasoracle.org/2008/03/15/new-betfair-bet-matching-system-is-a-step-backwards/#comment-18174 Chris F. Masse Mon, 28 Apr 2008 06:17:37 +0000 http://www.midasoracle.org/2008/03/15/new-betfair-bet-matching-system-is-a-step-backwards/#comment-18174 @medemi: (Replying to your first post) - Were you banned from registering on Midas Oracle? - Hummmm.... We use 2 anti-spam plugins... WP SPAM FREE and SABRE. They are supposed to deter spammers. - If they throw you out, that's maybe they think you're using the IPs of a spammer. i don't know, I need more info on that to understand. - If you want to be registered, then I could do it manually for you, if you wished. Just contact me by e-mail, and I'd do. - As of today, I have pruned comments that were pure spam. The other reason I would exclude someone is that if that person would insult or defame. I haven't had the case, yet. - @medemi: (Replying to your first post)
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Were you banned from registering on Midas Oracle?
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Hummmm…. We use 2 anti-spam plugins… WP SPAM FREE and SABRE. They are supposed to deter spammers.
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If they throw you out, that’s maybe they think you’re using the IPs of a spammer. i don’t know, I need more info on that to understand.
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If you want to be registered, then I could do it manually for you, if you wished. Just contact me by e-mail, and I’d do.
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As of today, I have pruned comments that were pure spam. The other reason I would exclude someone is that if that person would insult or defame. I haven’t had the case, yet.
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]]> By: medemi http://www.midasoracle.org/2008/03/15/new-betfair-bet-matching-system-is-a-step-backwards/#comment-18171 medemi Sun, 27 Apr 2008 23:10:19 +0000 http://www.midasoracle.org/2008/03/15/new-betfair-bet-matching-system-is-a-step-backwards/#comment-18171 It’s an interesting debate whether posters should declare their interests / identify themselves. We are talking about the boundaries of freedom of speech, where does it start and where does it end ? In this case, where does it start ? - It starts with a certain responsibility of every individual. We cannot have total freedom of speech without it. A politician for instance can say many things, but he should be aware that certain remarks could cause fear/panic amongst the public because of the influence he has. It’s different for a betfair employee. It is the honourable and right thing to do to say who you are when you’re posting on the betfair forum. Again, we cannot have complete freedom of speech without people taking responsibility. It’s not something you would expect from betfair employees or the betfair management for that matter, because anything outside the scopy of betting they are having a real hard time of grasping. So next time when they decide to ban someone from the forum because their undercover agents can’t handle the debate, maybe it’s time for some reflection. Maybe not, and we should just accept the fact that freedom of speech is a somewhat alienated concept in the UK. Yes… I did mention the UK. Because it’s not just individuals who have certain responsibilities, companies do as well! It’s an interesting debate whether posters should declare their interests / identify themselves.
We are talking about the boundaries of freedom of speech, where does it start and where does it end ? In this case, where does it start ?
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It starts with a certain responsibility of every individual. We cannot have total freedom of speech without it. A politician for instance can say many things, but he should be aware that certain remarks could cause fear/panic amongst the public because of the influence he has.
It’s different for a betfair employee. It is the honourable and right thing to do to say who you are when you’re posting on the betfair forum. Again, we cannot have complete freedom of speech without people taking responsibility.
It’s not something you would expect from betfair employees or the betfair management for that matter, because anything outside the scopy of betting they are having a real hard time of grasping. So next time when they decide to ban someone from the forum because their undercover agents can’t handle the debate, maybe it’s time for some reflection. Maybe not, and we should just accept the fact that freedom of speech is a somewhat alienated concept in the UK. Yes… I did mention the UK. Because it’s not just individuals who have certain responsibilities, companies do as well!

]]> By: Adonis http://www.midasoracle.org/2008/03/15/new-betfair-bet-matching-system-is-a-step-backwards/#comment-18169 Adonis Sun, 27 Apr 2008 20:43:10 +0000 http://www.midasoracle.org/2008/03/15/new-betfair-bet-matching-system-is-a-step-backwards/#comment-18169 Chris, <strong>I like the cut of your jib</strong>. Free Speech is a priceless benefit of a Free Society, not to be taken for granted (or abused). Your commentary earns due respect. I have always accepted the right of opposite opinion to express theimselves - as long as their viewpopint and expression is legal. Thus, I have no issue with any Betfair "insider" criticising my opinions as long as it is fairly, honourably and openly done. In my book, it is honourable to declare an interest bias (eg: I make it clear that I am a betfair Customer, and a punter. I expect any Betfair insider wishing to engage in dialogue to ALSO declare their true position.) Unfortunately, such declarations are rare indeed - with the exception of those insiders recently "outed" on betfair's own, comment-screened forum. (The one I was banned from for asking awkward questions and citing certain aspects of Betting Integrity and their relationship with Time. And for upsetting a betfair business affiliate ( from Bet Angel) who consistently posed as a bone fide Customer instead.) Life can be problematic for those interested in truth! Have a great week all; and, if you are, stay lucky! Adonis Chris,
I like the cut of your jib.
Free Speech is a priceless benefit of a Free Society, not to be taken for granted (or abused). Your commentary earns due respect.
I have always accepted the right of opposite opinion to express theimselves – as long as their viewpopint and expression is legal. Thus, I have no issue with any Betfair “insider” criticising my opinions as long as it is fairly, honourably and openly done.
In my book, it is honourable to declare an interest bias (eg: I make it clear that I am a betfair Customer, and a punter. I expect any Betfair insider wishing to engage in dialogue to ALSO declare their true position.)
Unfortunately, such declarations are rare indeed – with the exception of those insiders recently “outed” on betfair’s own, comment-screened forum.
(The one I was banned from for asking awkward questions and citing certain aspects of Betting Integrity and their relationship with Time. And for upsetting a betfair business affiliate ( from Bet Angel) who consistently posed as a bone fide Customer instead.)
Life can be problematic for those interested in truth!
Have a great week all; and, if you are, stay lucky!
Adonis

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