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	<title>Comments on: Super Bowl Analysis Highlights — Keith Jacks Gamble&#8217;s Second Turn</title>
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		<title>By: Keith Jacks Gamble</title>
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		<dc:creator>Keith Jacks Gamble</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Feb 2007 04:14:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don't see how I'm implicitly assuming that other traders and books will follow price moves/prices on TS.  Can you explain how/where I'm making this assumption in more detail?

I can say that there are multiple traders on Tradesports who have accounts on other sportsbooks and will jump on any opportunity for cross-exchange arbitrage, so I suspect that the odds remain fairly close across markets regardless of which follows which.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t see how I&#8217;m implicitly assuming that other traders and books will follow price moves/prices on TS.  Can you explain how/where I&#8217;m making this assumption in more detail?</p>
<p>I can say that there are multiple traders on Tradesports who have accounts on other sportsbooks and will jump on any opportunity for cross-exchange arbitrage, so I suspect that the odds remain fairly close across markets regardless of which follows which.</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel Horowitz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daniel Horowitz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Feb 2007 18:39:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I ask whether someone has looked at the correlation between tradesports probabilities and sportsbooks probabilities. Specifically, the interdependence of these markets. I presume this to be in the literature with respect to other markets. 

I propose that:

Given a set of public markets, who offer the same trades/contracts; as this set grows in size, a predictable pattern of interdependence arises. 

Further, this interdependence develops in a "follow the leader" type fashion. 

e.g. The price of contract X moves on Book A, then on Book B, then on Book C, and so forth. 

Implicit in your (Masse) and Gamble's argument is that other traders and books will follow price moves/prices on TS. Lack of such evidence and/or evidence to the contrary, is confounding.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I ask whether someone has looked at the correlation between tradesports probabilities and sportsbooks probabilities. Specifically, the interdependence of these markets. I presume this to be in the literature with respect to other markets. </p>
<p>I propose that:</p>
<p>Given a set of public markets, who offer the same trades/contracts; as this set grows in size, a predictable pattern of interdependence arises. </p>
<p>Further, this interdependence develops in a &#8220;follow the leader&#8221; type fashion. </p>
<p>e.g. The price of contract X moves on Book A, then on Book B, then on Book C, and so forth. </p>
<p>Implicit in your (Masse) and Gamble&#8217;s argument is that other traders and books will follow price moves/prices on TS. Lack of such evidence and/or evidence to the contrary, is confounding.</p>
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		<title>By: Midas Oracle .ORG &#187; Blog Archive &#187; The Midas Oracle VIEWERSHIP</title>
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		<dc:creator>Midas Oracle .ORG &#187; Blog Archive &#187; The Midas Oracle VIEWERSHIP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Feb 2007 13:07:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] than the Keith Jacks Gamble&#8217;s Super Bowl Analysis Highlights. [Keith Jacks Gamble&#8217;s addenda are not taken into account in this statistics.] &#8212; TAKEAWAY: EITHER politics is bigger than [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] than the Keith Jacks Gamble&#8217;s Super Bowl Analysis Highlights. [Keith Jacks Gamble&#8217;s addenda are not taken into account in this statistics.] &#8212; TAKEAWAY: EITHER politics is bigger than [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Chris. F. Masse</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris. F. Masse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Feb 2007 07:59:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"Have you looked at tradesports probabilities vs. sportsbooks probabilities?"

There is already a large body of studies on bookmakers. What interest the economists, these days, are the prediction exchanges (betting exchanges), because they embody fully the market mechanisms that economists are so enamored with.

Main betting exchanges: BetFair, TradeSports-InTrade and... Betdaq... and maybe MatchBook.
Main play-money prediction exchange: HSX (high volumes).

The sportsbooks/bookmakers probabilities will show higher odds (than the exchanges) for the likely winners. Keith Jacks Gamble cited the Levitt paper, which explains well that illegal bookmakers use their prices (=odds) as a marketing tool. They raise or lower them depending on how much their clients can pay. For instance, if you leave in the Indianapolis area, you'd pay a higher price for a Colts bet, because you'd be more optimistic about their chance of success.

The Tetlock paper that KJG cited is great, also. (Generally speaking, KJG himself is great, and all what he says is great. And whatever he touches becomes great too, including this group blog and his owner.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Have you looked at tradesports probabilities vs. sportsbooks probabilities?&#8221;</p>
<p>There is already a large body of studies on bookmakers. What interest the economists, these days, are the prediction exchanges (betting exchanges), because they embody fully the market mechanisms that economists are so enamored with.</p>
<p>Main betting exchanges: BetFair, TradeSports-InTrade and&#8230; Betdaq&#8230; and maybe MatchBook.<br />
Main play-money prediction exchange: HSX (high volumes).</p>
<p>The sportsbooks/bookmakers probabilities will show higher odds (than the exchanges) for the likely winners. Keith Jacks Gamble cited the Levitt paper, which explains well that illegal bookmakers use their prices (=odds) as a marketing tool. They raise or lower them depending on how much their clients can pay. For instance, if you leave in the Indianapolis area, you&#8217;d pay a higher price for a Colts bet, because you&#8217;d be more optimistic about their chance of success.</p>
<p>The Tetlock paper that KJG cited is great, also. (Generally speaking, KJG himself is great, and all what he says is great. And whatever he touches becomes great too, including this group blog and his owner.)</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel Horowitz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daniel Horowitz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Feb 2007 06:53:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"my data is taken from Tradesports.com, an online exchange that takes no positions unlike a sportsbook. It’s a marketplace of betters, and so far, the evidence is that the prices there are pretty good estimates of probabilities."


Have you looked at tradesports probabilities vs. sportsbooks probabilities?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;my data is taken from Tradesports.com, an online exchange that takes no positions unlike a sportsbook. It’s a marketplace of betters, and so far, the evidence is that the prices there are pretty good estimates of probabilities.&#8221;</p>
<p>Have you looked at tradesports probabilities vs. sportsbooks probabilities?</p>
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